Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v8KJT86V027410 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:29:10 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dukb0-000662-Ai for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:23:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dukaz-00065t-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:23:41 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dukaw-00065j-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:23:40 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51EA820AFD for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:23:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xy8mR0pK6z10HS for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59C2C034.3070609@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:23:32 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15ea03edd54-c07-2a33b@webjas-vab251.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15ea03edd54-c07-2a33b@webjas-vab251.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: f0da950ecedac2a84ae70831926f1b39 Subject: Re: VLF: 15 characters on the 67 km band... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070005080909080506030705" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070005080909080506030705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus, That's great, impressive work! I confirm the message. A kind of challenge just for you, right? :-) A new series of VLF experiments at 300 mA on all frequencies from 8270 Hz down to DC will start in the near future... Be prepared! 73, Stefan Am 20.09.2017 19:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Today I finally managed to decode Stefan's 15 character transmission, > using DL0AO data from four days, September 10 to 13. This was quite a > challenge... > > Two tail ends were missing, due to a TX modulation failure on Monday > 12:56 UT, and lost data since Wednesday 12 UT due to a forced reboot > of the RX PC. > > To make use of all available SNR, it was necessary to include both > available channels (West cardioid and East-West earth loop), which is > equivalent to a weighted sum of E- and H-field antennas. The complex > antenna weighting factor had to be optimized separately for each day. > Then the four days were again optimally weighted and summed up. > > Using the known message, SNR contributions from the four days could be > evaluated separately: > > day Eb/N0 > dB power > Sun 0910 -6.21 0.239 > Mon 0911 -6.01 0.251 > Tue 0912 -2.98 0.502 > Wed 0913 -5.13 0.307 > stacked +0.97 1.250 > > Stefan, thank you for this message! > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Di, 12. Sept 2017 14:01 > Betreff: Re: VLF: 15 charaters on the 67 km band... > > I'd like to shorten that transmission experiment a bit. For a decode > from Paul or Jacek it may take 2 weeks of daily transmissions. DL0AO > however will likely get a decode today, if all works well. After the > decode from DL0AO i'd like to stop the test because my new stacked > coil is already completed, at least it allows a transmission on 8270 > Hz. My larger 3 layer coil allows 700 mA antenna current, the new one > allows just 300 mA, i.e. -7.4 dB. Anyway i'd like to test that new > coil for the first time. I intend to run DFCW-60000 near 8270.005 Hz. > This will allow to see a trace in a 47 uHz spectrogram, for Mike and > Luis and DL0AO and maybe even a few more stations. Each 'dit' will > take 16 hours. > I'll start in the end of the week but for the newcomers it would make > sense to start a RX spectrogram a few days earlier. > An announcement of the carrier transmission will follow during the week... > > 73, Stefan > > PS: Markus, if you can decode the message, you can tell it, it's no > secret. > > Am 09.09.2017 20:27, schrieb DK7FC: > > VLF, > > Another EbNaut message which is even more challenging to decode: > > *f = 4470.005000 Hz > Start time: 10.September.2017 05:00:00 UTC (daily repetition) > Symbol period: 20 s > Characters: 15 > CRC bits: 14 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 11h01min20sec > Antenna current: 155 mA* > > Markus, if you decode it (after stacking 2...3 days), pse don't > tell the message here (but your decode details pse). It will be > interesting to see if Paul can get it too. Paul, will you try? Or > are you still testing the E field antenna? > > 73, Stefan > --------------070005080909080506030705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus,

That's great, impressive work! I confirm the message. A kind of challenge just for you, right? :-)

A new series of VLF experiments at 300 mA on all frequencies from 8270 Hz down to DC will start in the near future...
Be prepared!

73, Stefan


Am 20.09.2017 19:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Today I finally managed to decode Stefan's 15 character transmission, using DL0AO data from four days, September 10 to 13. This was quite a challenge...

Two tail ends were missing, due to a TX modulation failure on Monday 12:56 UT, and lost data since Wednesday 12 UT due to a forced reboot of the RX PC.

To make use of all available SNR, it was necessary to include both available channels (West cardioid and East-West earth loop), which is equivalent to a weighted sum of E- and H-field antennas. The complex antenna weighting factor had to be optimized separately for each day. Then the four days were again optimally weighted and summed up.

Using the known message, SNR contributions from the four days could be evaluated separately:

     day              Eb/N0
                     dB    power
Sun  0910   -6.21   0.239 
Mon  0911   -6.01   0.251
Tue  0912   -2.98   0.502
Wed 0913   -5.13   0.307
stacked      +0.97   1.250

Stefan, thank you for this message!

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 12. Sept 2017 14:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: 15 charaters on the 67 km band...

I'd like to shorten that transmission experiment a bit. For a decode from Paul or Jacek it may take 2 weeks of daily transmissions. DL0AO however will likely get a decode today, if all works well. After the decode from DL0AO i'd like to stop the test because my new stacked coil is already completed, at least it allows a transmission on 8270 Hz. My larger 3 layer coil allows 700 mA antenna current, the new one allows just 300 mA, i.e. -7.4 dB. Anyway i'd like to test that new coil for the first time. I intend to run DFCW-60000 near 8270.005 Hz. This will allow to see a trace in a 47 uHz spectrogram, for Mike and Luis and DL0AO and maybe even a few more stations. Each 'dit' will take 16 hours.
I'll start in the end of the week but for the newcomers it would make sense to start a RX spectrogram a few days earlier.
An announcement of the carrier transmission will follow during the week...

73, Stefan

PS: Markus, if you can decode the message, you can tell it, it's no secret.

Am 09.09.2017 20:27, schrieb DK7FC:
VLF,

Another EbNaut message which is even more challenging to decode:

f = 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 10.September.2017  05:00:00 UTC (daily repetition)
Symbol period: 20 s
Characters: 15
CRC bits: 14
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 11h01min20sec
Antenna current: 155 mA

Markus, if you decode it (after stacking 2...3 days), pse don't tell the message here (but your decode details pse). It will be interesting to see if Paul can get it too. Paul, will you try? Or are you still testing the E field antenna?

73, Stefan
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