Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24328 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 15:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 15:08:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Gk58-00019n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:51:34 +0000 Received: from helios.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.2]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Gk4z-00019i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:51:26 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by helios.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 12Gk2J-0000hY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:48:39 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <5980.200002041455@gemini> From: "James Moritz" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:56:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: 73kHz / Soundcards X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Re: 73kHz Sideband noises / Soundcards Dear LF Group, I quite agree with Alan that measuring noise levels using a soundcard is unlikely to result in a definitive measurement, but in the few minutes available it was that or nothing. The point was that the Rugby transmitter definitely has significant levels of noise sidebands due to power supply ripple, and that it is quite feasible that these are responsible for the noises we hear. A noise level -45dB relative to the carrier, within a few 100Hz of the carrier is probably pretty good performance, or at least not a major fault - after all, there is bound to be some ripple, and -45dB would correspond to only1% or so voltage ripple. Most amateur transmitters are probably not as good as this, but are unlikely to be a problem, since the ERPs involved are of the order of a million times smaller - I estimate the ERP of my 73kHz signal is a whopping 5 - 10mW! Since soundcards and software like Spectrogram have many other uses to radio amateurs apart from reading QRSS, it would be interesting to know if any data exists about the dynamic range & spurious responses of the soundcard/software combination - does anyone have any information? I expect to be adding my own contribution to the 73kHz noise level this evening from about 20.00 onwards - hope to see you there? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU