Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v4UDeiJk032251 for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 15:40:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dFhJm-0002rp-3d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 14:36:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dFhJl-0002rg-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 14:36:13 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dFhJi-0005nd-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 14:36:12 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50EEF2088A for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 15:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3wcZPh0VTpz10BH for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 15:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <592D7547.4080409@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:36:07 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1456380282.20170524154713@gmail.com> <5925A16B.7050100@posteo.de> <48702557.20170525114046@gmail.com> <5926C96B.7050206@posteo.de> <592BE75B.6050507@posteo.de> <14F17A83F5334ED2A74ED75E758C1DCE@AGB> <592C1F3D.2000408@posteo.de> <592C27E0.9080806@posteo.de> <763E86D009A24DEC99503C77E38C06CB@AGB> In-Reply-To: <763E86D009A24DEC99503C77E38C06CB@AGB> X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Iron dust toroids and heating/H bridge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11835 Am 30.05.2017 15:04, schrieb Graham: > ...to question the choice of a half bridge , over that of the full > version? A half bridge is easier to build because both sources of the FET are at GND level. So you are not forced to use a decoupling transformer for driving the FETs. I would recommend to use one anyway, and it works quite well and it is an advantage to pull the gate of the non conducting FET to a negative voltage. The H bridge has an advantage when mains voltage is used directly, i.e. 320 V DC switching voltage. There are 1000 V FETs however, meanwhile. Oh i just see the point, a half bridge has two FETs in series and the other half are capacitors. I was talking about the other circuit which uses the lower two FETs not the left two FETs of the H bridge :-) I would not recommend a hlaf bridge at all. > Its tempting to link the harmonic content , with the high loss rate > of devices , In your 136 vk experiments, with the H , did you > loose fets , other than by loss of tune ? I only lost FETs in the beginning, until i discovered that i made an error when building up the driver. After correcting this i didn't loose any FETs. I passed several kWh through one pair of FETs. No problems in WSPR, OP32, CW, even slow hell (which actually is for linear PAs only!). I have a fan blowing on the heat sink whos speed is controlled by the temperature of the heat sink. So i always get an impression of the temperature (when listening to the speed :-) ). When the antenna was not spot on the resonance, the fan blew a bit faster, so the losses must have been somewhat higher. But it never cost the FETs (IRFP460A). > Is there a ferrite , that is comfortable in 136 and 477 service ? Several, almost any. > > but worth consideration for a driver, having no transformer The standard FET drivers (ICL7667, TC4422, IXDD614CI...) are switching between Vss and GND. It is however saver to pull the FETs gate voltage to a negative value when OFF. This is given by the transformer. Since the voltage of the opposite winding must be negative when the other one is positive, it is impossible that both FETs are conducting, what ever the driver and transients does. > effectively all band from audio up ? From DC up :-) Yes, but not with some high/low side drivers like IR2110. I built a second bridge for VLF some years ago and used it down to 100 Hz... 73, Stefan