Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v0THTTD0032676 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:29:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cXtF6-0001nd-MX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cXtEz-0001nU-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:13 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cXtEw-0005pk-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:12 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vEcrYtBXtkSJ/X1bfuXv01YwIvUCBBQMMYiMm88ocgo=; b=bNuik096hzqVTIsHCWhFonJM1s WSTwnZj/kRMZIGc9GQF27gZxvZulFGKB1N4kXs25pzVyzHzykEQsOt7muadvm7N+tDrzBZZdOkDx8 uAoKUrfXAXXLZrza8SsRcj8KViqVE6IYesN+MvR3dL9Gv1gfJAHWVONgwlsxO1QM0ZX8=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:56764 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cXtEw-0005Yx-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:10 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96D7400521 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:09 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <159c6d4aa99-2cc9-11356@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> <5884E0D8.1090102@abelian.org> <5885FBEE.3060408@posteo.de> <58861BDF.8010605@posteo.de> <58875792.7020302@posteo.de> <58879804.7010301@abelian.org> <5887ACEB.2000207@posteo.de> <5888EEDA.6070308@abelian.org> <588DE1EE.3050408@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <588E25B1.8010009@abelian.org> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:26:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <588DE1EE.3050408@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: ULF: EbNaut over 3 wavelengths on ULF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10397 Jim wrote: > Excellent diagnostic method and implementation. The method has some weaknesses Jim but in the absence of any artificial signals it's the best I can do. I must repeat the exercise when we next get a thunderstorm nearer to Heidelberg. Looking at the spectrum of the sferics will reveal if we have some ground/sky wave cancellation at that frequency and range. Stefan wrote: > From the known decoded EbNaut messages, what was the SNR at > Renato or on your side? Nothing detectable here or at Cumiana so I can't answer the question of how many days need stacking. Until there is some glimpse of a signal, it is completely unknown. I can only estimate a lower limit. With your estimated ERP I think something should be detectable in one day or two. But stacking two days of your recent carrier shows nothing. Even with my more conservative ERP estimate I would expect to see something of your signal. Between 2016-06-26 13:00 and 2016-07-31 08:00 you transmitted carrier with 30mA antenna current. I received and stacked over 34 days of carrier (about 15dB stacking gain) with no sign of signal. You estimated 100nW ERP. Now you can do 150mA current - about 14dB gain over July's signal. Plus, improvements here to filtering and blanking may add 2 or 3dB more. We can in two days exceed the stacked signal for the whole of July. Also with your higher ERP I can see the signal each day at Bielefeld to check the phase. I think we should try some daytime carrier repeats. Already we know there is nothing after 2 days so we will need at least 4 days to get a hint of signal and then at least 10 days to collect enough signal for some measurements. It is surely certain that we will eventually pick up the signal after enough days. I'm thinking about shutting down my workstation to install an extra scratch disk which will speed up the signal search. It's been busy for 137 days so no chance to close it down. There are still 154 jobs running though. -- Paul Nicholson --