Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v08NM8Lc018278 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 00:22:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cQMif-0003JX-5Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:17:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cQMie-0003JO-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:17:44 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cQMib-0001hp-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:17:43 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ItzO76n9UDN/YYYW7dRzAptW7Yj/Sw66oSPOYq5bnz4=; b=6dTX6U09SB3eyMSwVA5l8vdHMg kCvbz3J97FEMA9UyzYUfFta3PYvX156uql2olnVcFsOsE7eAyLdHyIH/E5TdPDDuU7GYpjh9fpBKG bMLJbGpTBJi2EcN+cQ1fQNP5VDzBcGE0DWqzboiTuAlsoK35KvolFPgsczFTDZSLYD2I=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:55095 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cQMia-0003jy-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:17:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1194000AE for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <5872C893.80807@abelian.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:17:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: Wideband EbNaut with prefix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10154 A decode from a near field test at VLF: Rank 6938 Eb/N0 -0.4 dB 8K19A 60 chars The interesting thing is, the symbol period is 6.25 milliseconds (3152 symbols for 19.7 second total duration) and the message was sent by magnetic coupling between two undisciplined soundcards. Received against the natural VLF background. The message was also 'unannounced'. EbNaut here is sending a coded prefix. The decoder monitors a band and searches for prefixes, then measures the frequency and timing accurately enough to decode the following message coherently. It relies on the undisciplined soundcard clock or RX LO being stable over the message duration, say up to a minute or so. The overhead of the prefix is at the moment 1.25dB, hoping to bring that down a bit. A delicate matter of balancing the prefix energy and message energy. No point in a detectable prefix if the message wont decode, or vice versa. In principle then, with a small Eb/N0 overhead, the decoder can take a live untimed I/Q stream from SpecLab or your favourite SDR and monitor a band a few Hz wide. The only thing you have to know in advance is the symbol rate. Coding in the prefix supplies the rest. No good of course for slow narrow band, but there might be applications for short duration wide band messages coherently detected and decoded with signals a dB or so from the limit. -- Paul Nicholson --