Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dcc1: mailn 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v03CB1v1022908 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:11:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cONrP-0007wv-RQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 12:06:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cONrP-0007wm-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 12:06:35 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cONrM-0002K9-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 12:06:34 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAFB320B15 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:06:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ttCN504WQz108c for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:06:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <586B93C4.9000305@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:06:28 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <159526aa32e-1297-2d056@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com> <5867AA75.6030603@posteo.de> <5867DFA9.5020604@abelian.org> <58691D84.9030201@posteo.de> <586A8A05.5090901@posteo.de> <586AA7C5.8070802@abelian.org> <049501d26535$dee8b370$9cba1a50$@comcast.net> <586B5BAD.7@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <586B5BAD.7@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: VLF: Back on 5.17 kHz / 58 km... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10089 Hi Paul, VLF, Thanks! That's our todays and best result so far on 58 km :-) Do you think the phase on 5.17 kHz is more stable between day and night relative to 6.47 kHz? I would try a 24 hour transmission soon, starting either 17 UTC or 8 UTC so there is just a single day->night or night->day turn. Just 10 dB difference after sferic blanking. In summer it can be 20 dB. But i think it has to do with the lower frequency as well, there's just less QRN, which also tells that propagation above 3000 km becomes much harder. Do you or anyone else have suggestions of what could be tried on that band? Is there anyone else out there preparing to receive? 73, Stefan Am 03.01.2017 09:07, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 5170.000000 Hz > > Start time: 02.Jan.2017 17:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 40 s > > Characters: 5 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > Received 'HELLO', BER 41.1%, constant reference phase. > > Carrier Eb/N0 = +1.0 dB, S/N: 15.57 dB in 22.3 uHz, > > A little weaker than expected. > > S/N -64.9dB in 2.5kHz after sferic blanking. Before the blanker, > the signal measures -74.8dB after hum removal. > > > Markus wrote: > > > SpecLab resets the phase of it's GPS-locked signal > > generators at midnight. > > Ah, that would explain it, thanks. Now you mention it, I think > we've hit that problem before but I had forgotten. > > I measure a phase advance of 131 degrees at midnight. > > We had better stick to frequencies that are a whole number of > cycles per day. That also simplifies coherent stacking of > daily transmissions. > > Jim wrote: > > > Was the LWPC TX antenna angle parameter fairly close to > > actual angle? > > I'm not sure what you mean there. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- >