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S/N in 2.5kHz for easy comparison, post blanker. Eb/N0 S/N Phase Coding Sym Chars 5th Oct -6.9 -73.0 102.2 8K19A 140 15 no decode 7th Oct 1.1 -68.6 69.4 16K25A 80 15 'DK7FC JN49IK 73' 12th Oct 0.1 -65.2 77.8 8K19A 40 3 '73S' 13th Oct -6.2 -67.0 41.3 16K25A 20 15 no decode 2nd Nov 1.7 -63.8 -121.1 16K25A 30 7 'SUCCESS' 3rd Nov -5.4 -68.5 -120.7 16K25A 30 11 no decode 5th Nov -5.0 -68.0 -130.0 16K25A 30 11 no decode 3rd+5th -2.3 -65.3 -125.1 16K25A 30 11 'ROCK N ROLL' 11th Nov 3.9 -62.5 -141.2 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 12th Nov 4.9 -59.7 -134.3 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 11th + 12th 6.6 -58.1 -137.5 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 13th Nov 8.5 -55.6 -138.5 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 11th to 13th 8.6 -55.2 -137.8 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 14th 3.5 -61.3 -136.8 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' 11th to 14th 9.9 -54.3 -137.6 8K19A 60 4 'TEST' > we could try to start an attempt to transfer 50 characters > on 6.47 kHz > 10 second symbols 8K19A, taking 07:25:20, each day. I think it would need 3 or 4 repeats. If the phase stays this repeatable it will surely work. > EbNaut_VLF_list.png A couple of messages to add: 5th Oct, 13th Oct. I'm still experimenting with the normalisation. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't. Decode performance also depends a little on the sample rate of the input to the decoder. 6470 is like a completely different band to 8270: different daytime blanker settings, decoder prefers lower sample rates, normalisation has more effect. We are learning how to work this band. > Congrats to your and our success. Some of these are the weakest signals so far decoded at VLF, eg 7th October is 12dB weaker than W4DEX's transatlantic signals. Less than two electrons charge on the antenna. I might also add, they probably hold the record for the longest time taken to decode - over 30 days! Start tomorrow with 50 chars? -- Paul Nicholson --