Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6LBWsh006393 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Ug3-0006nM-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:31 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Ug2-0006nD-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:30 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Ug0-0000VY-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:29 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 335E420914 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:08:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tBp885dDnzyyT for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:08:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581F9BC8.8010905@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:08:24 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> <581F9797.9060709@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581F9797.9060709@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz / ULF coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1774 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9418 Hi Paul, Thanks for the most ineresting experiments, even if the result is negative sometimes. Well it's not as easy as expected it seems. I did expect that the decode will be no problem with the added signals. Local experiments are not useful since my distance to the tree grabber is just 3.5 km. Anyway it is a real experiment with some path, so maybe i will do some QRP tests anyway. Today the WX wasn't really good here and i've been motivated to continue to work on the large ULF coil. A very big step was done today, variometer is completed and i calculated that i need a 6th stack which must have 8 layers. Now 7 of them are completed! I will finish the winding today! That work took several month, 6 kg of cu wire is used, about 150€ just for the wire. More later... 73, Stefan Am 06.11.2016 21:50, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 6470.00000 Hz > > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 30 s > > Characters: 11 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > and > > > A second transmission is running now [5th Nov] > > Same message, symbol length, phase orientation > > and start time... > > No decode of either message. > > I added the two days coherently and that also failed to > decode. I tested the processing with simulated signals > and that gave the expected 3dB gain. > > Looked at the cross correlation of the two days but can > see nothing. The simulated signals at about Eb/N0 0.0dB > are visible on a cross correlation. > > This will only work if the received phase doesn't change > much from one day to another. We may need some luck, some > stable weather and ionosphere. > > To keep the office warm, the computer is trying some > range of phase shifts between the two days. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- >