Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u9QHCqTi019033 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:12:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bzRe1-000098-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:05:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bzRe0-00008z-Ur for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:05:40 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from <selberdenken@posteo.de>) id 1bzRdv-0002WY-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:05:39 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34DDC20AF8 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t3xGz0VPRzyrK for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5810E25A.3050209@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:05:30 +0200 From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <57F78A3F.5030803@posteo.de> <57F80D22.2020800@posteo.de> <57F83029.8010104@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <57F83029.8010104@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: ULF: A new step on the large ULF coil... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060004060401060605070109" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 5136 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9237 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060004060401060605070109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ULF, It's just a few weeks ago, now the *5th stack* is wound on the coil: *https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161026_185804.jpg * The DC resistance rose from 445 Ohm to *572 Ohm*. The measured resonance frequency (using the antenna equivalent C in the shack) dropped from 3.667 kHz down to *3.208 kHz*. That should be about *4.92 H*. Measured at 273V AC / 50 Hz, i'm getting 197 mA, so the actual inductance is *4.0 H*. A 6th stack and a variometer part is needed! 73, Stefan Am 08.10.2016 01:30, schrieb DK7FC: > Hi ULF, > > This night i have completed the 4th stack of my large ULF loading coil. > An image: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161008_ULF_TX_coil.jpg > > The exciting question was, what is the new resonance frequency > together with my antenna. In the lab i put an equivalent C in parallel > and found the resonance peak at *3.67 kHz*. So the L seems to be *3.8 > H* now. This is still not enough. The l/d of the coil dimension > becomes larger now, so i need more and more wire to reach the final > resonance frequency of 2.97 kHz at about 500 pF. > > I will do a next test on the actual resonance frequency in some days, > when the WX permits. I will also check where the resonance can be > found when switching the small coil in series that i use for 6.47 kHz > now. It could be quite close to 2.97 kHz then! So maybe this allows a > next QRO step on 2.97 kHz: 100 mA antenna current must be reached for > the planned experiment in 65 km distance. > > BTW the 4 stack coil is wound out of almost 4 kg of enameled Cu wire > with 0.4 mm diameter. The layers are isolated by Kapton tape. My > assumption is that it will hold 20 kV now. > Ah and the *DC resistance is 445 Ohm* now. When connecting 275 V AC / > 50 Hz, i can measure 269 mA. So the actual inductance is *2.93 H* > (beeing farer away from the self resonance frequency) > > I can tell you it's quite fascinating to operate down on these low > frequencies :-) To be continued... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060004060401060605070109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi ULF, <br> <br> It's just a few weeks ago, now the <b>5th stack</b> is wound on the coil: <b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161026_185804.jpg">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161026_185804.jpg</a><br> </b><br> The DC resistance rose from 445 Ohm to <b>572 Ohm</b>.<br> The measured resonance frequency (using the antenna equivalent C in the shack) dropped from 3.667 kHz down to <b>3.208 kHz</b>. That should be about <b>4.92 H</b>.<br> Measured at 273V AC / 50 Hz, i'm getting 197 mA, so the actual inductance is <b>4.0 H</b>.<br> <br> A 6th stack and a variometer part is needed! <br> <br> 73, Stefan<br> <br> Am 08.10.2016 01:30, schrieb DK7FC: <blockquote cite="mid:57F83029.8010104@posteo.de" type="cite"> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> Hi ULF, <br> <br> This night i have completed the 4th stack of my large ULF loading coil. <br> An image: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161008_ULF_TX_coil.jpg">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/ULF/20161008_ULF_TX_coil.jpg</a><br> <br> The exciting question was, what is the new resonance frequency together with my antenna. In the lab i put an equivalent C in parallel and found the resonance peak at <b>3.67 kHz</b>. So the L seems to be <b>3.8 H</b> now. This is still not enough. The l/d of the coil dimension becomes larger now, so i need more and more wire to reach the final resonance frequency of 2.97 kHz at about 500 pF.<br> <br> I will do a next test on the actual resonance frequency in some days, when the WX permits. I will also check where the resonance can be found when switching the small coil in series that i use for 6.47 kHz now. It could be quite close to 2.97 kHz then! So maybe this allows a next QRO step on 2.97 kHz: 100 mA antenna current must be reached for the planned experiment in 65 km distance.<br> <br> BTW the 4 stack coil is wound out of almost 4 kg of enameled Cu wire with 0.4 mm diameter. The layers are isolated by Kapton tape. My assumption is that it will hold 20 kV now.<br> Ah and the <b>DC resistance is 445 Ohm</b> now. When connecting 275 V AC / 50 Hz, i can measure 269 mA. So the actual inductance is <b>2.93 H</b> (beeing farer away from the self resonance frequency)<br> <br> I can tell you it's quite fascinating to operate down on these low frequencies :-) To be continued...<br> <br> 73, Stefan/DK7FC<br> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------060004060401060605070109--