Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5c64accf628fa; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:12:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG053-5c64accf628fa; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:12:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MvcrA-0000Ga-QF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:11:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MvcrA-0000GR-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:11:28 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.217.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mvcpk-0006Xh-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:10:01 +0100 Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so6258618gxk.11 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:11:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Lc4vZ1M1xROjjl4qNoqODaMfn97W/5DT5blmw7xmEOY=; b=Hy2iZ9DkXrrAUibOrb01x6v9jXmnH6xfQrNf21Tv0smxWlm5TnC0GhD/uQA7Bd3CcN mwT+YzHnWitv2MmkgBd2tEPqJKmDYk+JZ/zWNoc5Ks50fRWs+tCkOPpYzyextXpIlqVa unClFYZnaiW3EwBLyHPUHLgCuNUe1cU+2CHT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QP7ujI+t+xL43KJfqqA9cB7cmgyzxho8DmABCDW9Plnpb0/8DxPRS6zqG1SE2Ox6gr 6awyOCLGOI25tWw6GjOS6JX1PQPUUV0UU+p55TwCql/++qwSnNnw/f4FtVd5J3Vkb6nL xpsOidV6xuB2C5VVMRwV+x5IV1yPCVFcI7x9g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.2 with SMTP id a2mr778053yba.107.1254946270017; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:11:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ACCB110.8A4E.00FD.0@globalstar.com> References: <57a24ca70910070818o2e4adde4k1c8daa318eb2eb30@mail.gmail.com> <006001ca4763$a69a1290$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <002601ca4766$1ff29bb0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <4ACCD7FA.5080501@ukonline.co.uk> <4ACCB110.8A4E.00FD.0@globalstar.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70910071311h3ac56f5dtb741ca713b8613e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re Propagation report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6edcca2f9fc04755df2bd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m264.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd6edcca2f9fc04755df2bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 David, >As an interested observer from the other side of the pond, how do you determine that you are close to the ERP limit?? >I'd be interested in knowing as I am trying to do some pro-bono work for the ARRL on getting use of 137 kHz here in the USA. I am running 4Watts ERP (measured, using field strength) on 137 kHz and this seems to be the minimum needed for someone on the East Coast to be copied in Europe on a fairly reliable basis using very slow QRSS speeds. I am licensed for 10W ERP and will try to get closer to that power level this Fall. If you want to work across the pond from further inland or use faster cw than MORE power will be needed. I am very very worried that the ARRL will settle for 1 Watt ERP (or worse 1 W EIRP).! This would be a BIG MISTAKE! About 10 years ago the ARRL was turned down for a 137 kHz ham band on the basis that it would interfere with power line carrier systems and take down the grid. Now 8 years after 9/11 it would be ironic if the grid was still susceptible to interference from hams! I live 900 feet from a high power transmission line which has Power Line Carrier signals on it and I haven't caused any interference in 5 years operation at the 4W ERP level. Bottom line - get AT LEAST 10W ERP for hams - there is NO REASON TO SETTLE FOR LESS! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:17 PM, David Weinreich < David.Weinreich@globalstar.com> wrote: > Peter, > > As an interested observer from the other side of the pond, how do you > determine that you are close to the ERP limit?? I'd be interested in knowing > as I am trying to do some pro-bono work for the ARRL on getting use of 137 > kHz here in the USA. > > Tnx & 73, > > David Weinreich > WA2VUJ/3 > > >>> > *From: * Peter Dodd > *To:* *Date: * 10/07/09 3:09 PM > *Subject: * LF: Re Propagation report > Hi Jay, > I will be sending a beacon signal QRSS3 on 501.1kHz until 2330z. > I have modified my old PL519 TV sweep tube transmitter which ran about > 60 to 70W. It now has two PL519s in parallel running 120W. > I have taken down the HF quad until the sunspots wake up a bit and > reinstalled the antenna used for 73/136kHz so I am now running close to > the new ERP limit. > > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > Mal > > > > I check your frequency. Sunset here isn't until 2230Z...what time do > > you QRT? > > > > How about a beacon signal? ;~) > > > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:34 AM > > Subject: LF: Re: Propagation report > > > > > >> Warren > >> Great propagation around EU and Russia at present on 500. I have been > >> copied in Russia and eastern EU while daylight here, also 160m is > >> good with daytime reception and QSO'S as far as the Moscow area > >> Probably good to the west but not sure if anyone is monitoring in the > >> USA during evening time here. > >> 73 de mal/g3kev > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > >> To: "rsgb_lf_group" > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:18 PM > >> Subject: LF: Propagation report > >> > >> > >>> I have noted that Alan Melia has not updated his propagation report > >>> since the 7th of July! > >>> Hope all is well with Alan! > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 73 Warren K2ORS > >>> WD2XGJ > >>> WD2XSH/23 > >>> WE2XEB/2 > >>> WE2XGR/1 > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date: > >> 10/07/09 05:18:00 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential, intended > only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of > this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent > responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact postmaster@globalstar.com > --000e0cd6edcca2f9fc04755df2bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David,

>As an interested observer from the other side of the pon= d, how do you determine that you are close to the ERP limit??
>I'd be interes= ted in knowing as I am trying to do some pro-bono work for the ARRL on getting use of 137 kHz here in the USA.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am runni= ng 4Watts ERP (measured, using field strength)=A0 on 137 kHz and this seem= s to be the minimum needed for someone on the East Coast to be copied in= Europe on a fairly reliable basis using very slow QRSS speeds. I am licen= sed for 10W ERP and will try to get closer to that power level this Fall.= =A0=A0 If you want to work across the pond from further inland or use fast= er cw than MORE power will be needed.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am very very worried that the ARRL wi= ll settle for 1 Watt ERP (or worse 1 W EIRP).!
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 This would be a BIG MISTAKE!
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= About 10 years ago the ARRL was turned down for a 137 kHz ham band on the= basis that it would interfere with power line carrier systems and take do= wn the grid. Now 8 years after 9/11 it would be ironic if the grid was sti= ll susceptible to interference from hams!
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I live 900 feet from a high power= transmission line which has Power Line Carrier signals on it and I haven&= #39;t caused any interference in 5 years operation at the 4W ERP level.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Bottom line=A0 - get AT LEAST 10W= ERP for hams - there is NO REASON TO SETTLE FOR LESS!


--
73 Warren K2ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:17 PM, David Weinrei= ch <David.Weinreich@globalstar.com> wrote:
Peter,
=A0
As an interested observer from the other side of the pond, how do you= determine that you are close to the ERP limit?? I'd be interested in= knowing as I am trying to do some pro-bono work for the ARRL on getting= use of 137 kHz here in the USA.
=A0
Tnx & 73,
=A0
David Weinreich
WA2VUJ/3

>>>
From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 10/07/09 3:09 PM
Subject: LF:=A0 Re Propagation report
<= div>
Hi Jay,
I will be sending a beacon signal= QRSS3 on 501.1kHz until 2330z.
I have modified my old PL519 TV sweep= tube transmitter which ran about
60 to 70W. It now has two PL519s in parallel running 120W.
I have taken= down the HF quad until the sunspots wake up a bit and
reinstalled the= antenna used for 73/136kHz so I am now running close to
the new ERP= limit.


Peter, G3LDO


> Mal
>
> I check your freq= uency. Sunset here isn't until 2230Z...what time do
> you QRT?<= br>>
> How about a beacon signal? ;~)
>
> Jay W1VD=A0= WD2XNS=A0 WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton= " <g3ke= vmal@talktalk.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:34 AM
> Subject: LF: Re:= Propagation report
>
>
>> Warren
>> Great= propagation around EU and Russia at present on 500. I have been
>&= gt; copied in Russia and eastern EU while daylight here, also 160m is
>> good with daytime reception and QSO'S as far as the Moscow ar= ea
>> Probably good to the west but not sure if anyone is monitor= ing in the
>> USA during evening time here.
>> 73 de ma= l/g3kev
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegl= er" <wd2xgj@= gmail.com>
>> To: "rsgb_lf_group" <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:18 PM
>> Subject: LF= : Propagation report
>>
>>
>>> I have noted= that Alan Melia has not updated his propagation=A0 report
>>>= since the 7th of July!
>>> Hope all is well with Alan!
>>>
>>>>>> --
>>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>>=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WD2XGJ
>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WD2XSH/23
>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WE2XEB/2
>>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WE2XGR/1
>= >>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>&g= t;
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by= AVG - www.avg.com>> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date:=
>> 10/07/09 05:18:00
>>
>>
>
>
>=
>



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