Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-acd4ab7e17f131; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:27:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB063-acd4ab7e17f131; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MppSI-0008Vg-OO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:25:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MppSI-0008VX-50 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:25:50 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MppS8-0007WQ-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:25:42 +0100 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so3804575yxe.30 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:25:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oNYP5CDCP3fYcR20sEkyeefTdvcgMEIxZVgp9TYHBnc=; b=lDOS0CcUd9f+cnh6/uhmlTRcP6DsFhInAVt4ybEANouiqWgk4WdC8E+Ov2aNx+huYk ddsD8cISB1xWF3hwk9OJKswd/jlHhnlqdAmluXpsdJrpQKlLHHGyv1IViHY/Fs8PWG4d +6LXToZ3wIm/0XO6Nlp4kPUebMQGcApwN2RpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NQY30mqw61eMh84WOsZIVcaQbYAy2yrsRLwcYbFSJdeYD5/5w8eniJVkmCzfCjcg02 m2HkwP1ZC9GxK/cNl80sJHrxYFEAh7yb9Y4LSw8s71dMk7FnaxO3PwI5iQXMYxMKmfiR b9l+rcwws4p07h5+VBxGqqMm/eBnSFBghpfZs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.26.5 with SMTP id 5mr272922ybz.135.1253564732545; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:25:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006701ca3af6$6d9445c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> References: <47C531A902A946C9BE2EEC5C6B7E2EF3@presario1> <1775028CB7C146B496121BA36FB7093D@AGB> <7D5B0AF5BD6C467F8719EB684EB8D7D5@JimPC> <006701ca3af6$6d9445c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70909211325s3c7eccd5i5492d99038769b7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: US 500-kHz band plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d232.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I agree with Jay's points. I would like to remind all that WE2XGR stations are authorized for two-way QSOs with amateur stations whilst WD2XSH are not authorized for two-way communications with amateur stations. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > Jim, LF group > > <2 cents> > > If T/A is of interest it seems like a three frequency slot system would= be > benificial. > > slot 1) EU beacons (not attempting a QSO) > > slot 2) USA beacons (not attempting a QSO) > > slot 3) EU/USA stations attempting a QSO on the same frequency (for > convenience in digital modes) > > Slots 1 and 2 should not be combined as 'local' interference will preclu= de > reception of T/A. A similar three slot system could be used for cw, alth= ough > operating 'split' on cw is less of a problem than on the digital modes. > > The WD2XSH bandplan eats up large chunks of spectrum by unnecessarily > handing out frequency allocations to all stations. Past performance with= in > the XSH group has shown that some never got on the air and many others > haven't been on the air in years. Only a very few stations are regularly > active. We would be better served by an 'open' frequency slot system as > outlined above. It doesn't appear the WE2XGR station will be following= the > XSH band plan as currently laid out. > > > > Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" > > To: > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: US 500-kHz band plan > > >> Sorry, pressed "send" too soon by accident! >> >> Dear Graham, LF Group, >> >>> As the =A0European allocation looks to =A0be =A0wider than the =A0Uk,= are we >>> expecting the =A0UK 3 Khz =A0allocation to =A0remain as is, if =A0and= when the band >>> is formalised ?, in which case loosing 200 hz may not be the =A0most= sensible >>> option ... >> >> As I understand it, there are not yet any formal Europe-wide proposals, >> just what individual regulators have allocated on a case-by-case basis.= I >> think G, EI, and ON have all allocated 501 - 504. The DL beacons and OK= 0EMW >> are licenced to use spot frequencies around 505kHz. Gus SM6BHZ would be= able >> to use 504.0 - 504.1kHz. >> >> But the main thing is whether we over here should transmit around 504kH= z >> as we are now, or shift to near 501kHz to share a common WSPR segment= with >> the US. On one hand, keeping to near 504k would have the advantage of= no >> strong signals in band for those trying to receive US stations. But on= the >> other hand, it might mean we get QRMed by "general comms" US stations= for >> those trying to receive us, and anyone wanting to receive both US and= EU >> stations would need two receivers/soundcards, etc. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> > > >