Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-da74a65c0e62a1; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:21:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC117-da74a65c0e62a1; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:21:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFH3-0007RC-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:20:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFH3-0007R3-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:20:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFGm-0006EC-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:20:37 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4854842gxk.4 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HUhxAMGDDLnwTJlgnJQEy8GQVky9ScQ9gpn21cjzP9Y=; b=ctJrnvwP2MB4t/1AvVGcMU+VNSBGgx8fu51ZB2t6fohNvuEj89KNY/WHJkk80Z2PId nWU0SxhNX8uh7AEbaZ9WEUzeVkL8DKm49xjfgQNRdkcOeiBcIvFzhNV82goQA/Dakau6 Cmc9vbZRKHr8IzAQejcI0gkG+uWVHI/pfGozI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bFAbenjD54q2dxVQu/PTXbucCX4H04lPml0zXiJTPYXHkt/MskVHOCGrsaNYEDmLHE 6LuY4pC75tEjwWpxUo4XsP/whiCoBgRVIXL36j7ZUy0eWq4P2at60GQEIG7S6R8j5uvX lHFcFZCN880pD2jz/c6zbeCKLr+5/0O/q08eU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.216.17 with SMTP id o17mr7682047ybg.269.1248182443833; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence, What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using coaxial cable as a conductor? I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop made up of one turn RG-11 and one turn RG-214 (both turns parallel as in your case). Once one of the coax conductors came into contact with wet leaves near the feed point and began to burn through the insulation and the leaves - the first indication was erratic aerial currrent. I'm thinking of running two Deccas into a combiner but not sure if the loop insulation is sufficient. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > Jeff - The=A0"turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parall= el > loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and > open up the bandwidth a bit=A0- . I did try a couple of "turns" but neve= r > managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some > people=A0use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - > > All the loops ends up welded together=A0 on lugs and attached to the tun= er. > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it wil= l be > running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire in > Alaska! > > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... > > laurence > BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK > > > =A0Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > > > Hello Markus and Rick! > > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. > (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) > Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with= a > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But=A0EIRP is much weaker= than > with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more"=A0 in power! > > Thanks in advance! > > 73: Jeff / F6CWN > > > > ________________________________ > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See= how. 1