Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tA1EmMfp014325 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:48:22 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZstrT-00027E-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:43:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZstrT-000275-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:43:59 +0000 Received: from smtp208.alice.it ([82.57.200.104]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZstqP-0005j4-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:43:58 +0000 Received: from PCFausto (79.32.59.138) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 5633300600554995 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:42:40 +0100 Message-ID: <57FD07E7F9444DC0A077F7C4102A574C@PCFausto> From: "Fausto Coletti" To: References: <1a8427.6a713177.43669029@aol.com> <5635383B.8080403@posteo.de> <56353DB4.8010007@posteo.de> <56354AA6.1020702@posteo.de> <215F3F7B3BD74CAD81A322B601746534@PCFausto> <563616A2.5010102@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <563616A2.5010102@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:42:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Scan-Signature: ba91b3da87b600e195a477da13512b8e Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01D114BB.EDF102D0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4754 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D114BB.EDF102D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan,=20 beyond the technical aspect that is certainly is the most important = thing, there are people like me=20 who operated in the microwave bands and especially EME that, sometimes = hunted a new one for months before being able to make the qso that, certainly does not scare me a = few hours of calling...=20 Technology has made giant steps and, systems like WSPR for the study of = the propagation,=20 bring us to knowledge phenomena that we would not have discovered = otherwise but, the charm of an=20 old CW two way QSO is unsurpassed in my opinion.=20 Surely it was an exceptional condition that I do not think happen again = many times during a year but,=20 the perseverance finally always pays.=20 73, Fausto=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DK7FC=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Hi Fausto, Normal CW would have been possible last night! There were 90 decodes = by FR5ZX last night. The best reports from last night are: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2015-10-31 22:30 PA0A 0.475725 -20 0 JO33de 2 = FR5ZX LG78pu 9511 135 =20 2015-10-31 23:46 DK7FC 0.475684 -12 0 JN49ik 1 = FR5ZX LG78pu 9095 137 =20 2015-11-01 00:12 DF6NM 0.475785 -20 0 JN59nj 1 = FR5ZX LG78pu 8974 139 =20 2015-10-31 23:58 DJ0ABR 0.475665 -25 0 JN68nt 0.2 = FR5ZX LG78pu 8830 140 =20 2015-10-31 23:42 DH5RAE 0.475753 -27 0 JN68qv 0.5 = FR5ZX LG78pu 8826 141 =20 2015-10-31 23:12 IZ7SLZ 0.475777 -27 0 JN80nu 0.01 = FR5ZX LG78pu 7941 143 =20 You know, a few weeks back i've tested the readability of a signal at = -6 dB and -16 dB. -6 dB was fine for a normal speed (100 Bpm) CW QSO. = -16 dB was barely audible, not fine for a QSO, maybe a call can be = copied when repeated a few times. So i think that -12 dB should be fine = for a QSO at 60 Bpm and some concentration... But it was just a short = moment within 4 hours. Not sure if someone want to call CQ for such a = long time to make a "599tu" QSO then :-) 73, Stefan PS: Could someone provide more statistical overview of last nights = results? Am 01.11.2015 12:09, schrieb Fausto Coletti:=20 Hi Stefan,=20 -14 dB !!!=20 Virtually with 10 dB extra power you would get an audible CW = signal...at 9000 Km WOW.=20 73, Fausto IK4NMF Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2015.0.6173 / Database dei virus: 4455/10926 - Data di = rilascio: 01/11/2015 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D114BB.EDF102D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
beyond=20 the technical aspect that is certainly is=20 the most important thing, there=20 are people like me
who = operated in the microwave bands = and especially EME that, sometimes hunted = a new one for = months
before being = able to=20 make the qso that, certainly does not scare me a = few hours=20 of calling...=20
Technology has made=20 giant steps and, systems like WSPR  for the study = of the propagation, =
bring us to=20 knowledge phenomena = that we would not have discovered otherwise but, the=20 charm of an=20
old CW two way QSO is unsurpassed in my = opinion.=20
Surely it was an=20 exceptional condition that I do=20 not think happen again = many times during a year=20 but,
the = perseverance=20 finally always = pays.=20
 
73, Fausto=20
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DK7FC=20
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on = MF=20 WSPR

Hi Fausto,

Normal CW would have been possible = last=20 night! There were 90 decodes by FR5ZX last night. The best reports = from last=20 night are:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2015-10-31 22:30   PA0A   0.475725   -20   0   JO33de   2   FR5ZX   LG78pu   9511   135 
 2015-10-31 23:46   DK7FC   0.475684   -12   0   JN49ik   1   FR5ZX   LG78pu   9095   137 
 2015-11-01 00:12   DF6NM   0.475785   -20   0   JN59nj   1   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8974   139 
 2015-10-31 23:58   DJ0ABR   0.475665   -25   0   JN68nt   0.2   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8830   140 
 2015-10-31 23:42   DH5RAE   0.475753   -27   0   JN68qv   0.5   FR5ZX   LG78pu   8826   141 
 2015-10-31 23:12   IZ7SLZ   0.475777   -27   0   JN80nu   0.01   FR5ZX   LG78pu   7941   143 

You = know, a few=20 weeks back i've tested the readability of a signal at -6 dB and -16 = dB. -6 dB=20 was fine for a normal speed (100 Bpm) CW QSO. -16 dB was barely = audible, not=20 fine for a QSO, maybe a call can be copied when repeated a few times. = So i=20 think that -12 dB should be fine for a QSO at 60 Bpm and some = concentration...=20 But it was just a short moment within 4 hours. Not sure if someone = want to=20 call CQ for such a long time to make a "599tu" QSO then :-)

73, = Stefan

PS: Could someone provide more statistical overview of = last=20 nights results?



Am 01.11.2015 12:09, schrieb Fausto = Coletti:=20
Hi Stefan,
 
-14 dB !!! =
Virtually with 10 dB extra power you=20 would get an audible CW signal...at 9000 Km = WOW.=20
 
 
73, Fausto=20 IK4NMF

Nessun virus nel=20 messaggio.
Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com
Versione: 2015.0.6173 / = Database=20 dei virus: 4455/10926 - Data di rilascio:=20 01/11/2015

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