Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u93BbhXt021291 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:37:43 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1br1VW-0000O4-1m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:34:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1br1VV-0000Nv-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:34:05 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from <selberdenken@posteo.de>) id 1br1VT-0004gG-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:34:04 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A6420F09 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3sng141qjzz105n for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:33:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <57F24224.9060202@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:33:56 +0200 From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3967d374ca5b4e8a9e477a73da4a3882@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <3967d374ca5b4e8a9e477a73da4a3882@kabelmail.de> X-Scan-Signature: fb42d311bf65eb51bbb8124890b4f977 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low QRN on VLF! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030202040100040908040701" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030202040100040908040701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi VLF, It is amazing how low the QRN is! The first season from my tree on VLF. The background in the 3.8 mHz window is black! :-) Uwe, what is the problem with higher losses? What is the limiting factor in your system? I assume the voltage? Then you can just run some more power and you are there again :-) It would be interesting to see a trace from you again. Also we could try some EbNAut tests again. Now my VLF N-S loop is connected, pointing into your direction. Please try again :-) 73, Stefan Am 03.10.2016 13:19, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de: > Paul, Markus, > it was me on 8270Hz with a short test. I found the surrounding loss > too high. so I hve to wait some weeks until the trees etc are "sapless". > 73 > Uwe/dj8wx > > *Von:* Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> > *Gesendet:* 02.10.2016 20:13 > *An:* <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > *Betreff:* Re: LF: Re: Low QRN on VLF! > Paul, thanks for the nice report! Of course I knew already, keenly > watching your spectrogram! > > On 8970.00 I'm now also getting a weak trace in 63 uHz. But with my > current setup I cannot completely rule out 1pps leakage from the GPS > wiring. Nothing on Stefan's N-S-loop though. Wonder who it might be... > > Where have all the grabbers gone? > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > -----Ursprßngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Paul Nicholson <vlf0403@abelian.org> > An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > Verschickt: So, 2 Okt 2016 7:30 pm > Betreff: Re: LF: Re: Low QRN on VLF! > > Markus wrote: > > > Sending a 10 uW carrier on 8270.0025 Hz since 8:20 UT [1st Oct]. > > Your usual good signal here. Also today, looks like someone > on 8270.000 this morning for a few hours. > > http://abelian.org/vlf/fbins.shtml#p=1475420400&b=080&s=sp > <http://abelian.org/vlf/fbins.shtml#p=1475420400&b=080&s=sp> > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- --------------030202040100040908040701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi VLF, <br> <br> It is amazing how low the QRN is! The first season from my tree on VLF. The background in the 3.8 mHz window is black! :-)<br> <br> Uwe, what is the problem with higher losses? What is the limiting factor in your system? I assume the voltage? Then you can just run some more power and you are there again :-) It would be interesting to see a trace from you again. Also we could try some EbNAut tests again. Now my VLF N-S loop is connected, pointing into your direction. Please try again :-)<br> <br> 73, Stefan<br> <br> Am 03.10.2016 13:19, schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de:">uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de:</a> <blockquote cite="mid:3967d374ca5b4e8a9e477a73da4a3882@kabelmail.de" type="cite"> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Paul, Markus,<br> it was me on 8270Hz with a short test. I found the surrounding loss too high. so I hve to wait some weeks until the trees etc are "sapless".<br> 73<br> Uwe/dj8wx<br> <br>  <div class="replyHeader" style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); padding: 5px; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); line-height: 20px;"><b style="width: 80px; display: inline-block; font-size: 95%;">Von:</b> Markus Vester <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:markusvester@aol.com"><markusvester@aol.com></a><br> <b style="width: 80px; display: inline-block; font-size: 95%;">Gesendet:</b> 02.10.2016 20:13<br> <b style="width: 80px; display: inline-block; font-size: 95%;">An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org></a><br> <b style="width: 80px; display: inline-block; font-size: 95%;">Betreff:</b> Re: LF: Re: Low QRN on VLF!</div>  <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: black;"> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" abp="617">Paul, thanks for the nice report! Of course I knew already, keenly watching your spectrogram!<br abp="656"> <br abp="657"> On 8970.00 I'm now also getting a weak trace in 63 uHz. But with my current setup I cannot completely rule out 1pps leakage from the GPS wiring. Nothing on Stefan's N-S-loop though. Wonder who it might be...<br abp="658"> <br abp="659"> Where have all the grabbers gone? <br abp="618"> <br abp="619"> Best 73,<br abp="660"> Markus (DF6NM)<br abp="661"> <br abp="662"> <br abp="620"> -----Ursprßngliche Mitteilung-----<br abp="621"> Von: Paul Nicholson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vlf0403@abelian.org"><vlf0403@abelian.org></a><br abp="622"> An: rsgb_lf_group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org></a><br abp="623"> Verschickt: So, 2 Okt 2016 7:30 pm<br abp="624"> Betreff: Re: LF: Re: Low QRN on VLF!<br abp="625">  </div> <br abp="627"> Markus wrote:<br abp="628"> <br abp="629"> > Sending a 10 uW carrier on 8270.0025 Hz since 8:20 UT [1st Oct].<br abp="630"> <br abp="631"> Your usual good signal here. Also today, looks like someone<br abp="632"> on 8270.000 this morning for a few hours.<br abp="633"> <br abp="634"> <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank" abp="635" href="http://abelian.org/vlf/fbins.shtml#p=1475420400&b=080&s=sp">http://abelian.org/vlf/fbins.shtml#p=1475420400&b=080&s=sp</a><br abp="636"> <br abp="637"> --<br abp="638"> Paul Nicholson<br abp="639"> --<br abp="640">  </div> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------030202040100040908040701--