Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u0UJRNFR029872 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:27:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aPb7J-0000Yt-OQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aPb7J-0000Yk-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from s16315160.onlinehome-server.info ([87.106.80.234] helo=mail.vigilant.es) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aPb5v-0006kN-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:23:28 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([87.216.178.132]) by vigilant.es with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:21:24 +0100 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::3cdf:95f8:c1c9:3931]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::3cdf:95f8:c1c9:3931%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:21:32 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Thread-Index: AQHRWuHtNpU6pDaqjUOgQALm5UwP5J8TBLUAgAAH2gCAAV4HsA== Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:21:31 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB2533287C@servigilant.vigilant.local> References: <8D328FCC12FD921-600-4E96AB@webmail-vm167.sysops.aol.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [83.45.228.144] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 40cd937fc1c5e6338b07d288cd09d087 Subject: Re: LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB2533287Cservigilantvigi_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6559 --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB2533287Cservigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard I'm probably the only one in MF transmitting with an antenna installed in a= 80m high building (26 floors) By Benidorm standars this is also a small tower. But I'm lucky to have acce= ss to top terrace to grow my antenna farm ;-) I agree with the rest. Any beacon signal is wellcome and useful. CW, QRSS o= r digital all counts and helps to increase activity and rise the interest of other hams >I live in a 15 floor building, on top of which there is a 30 meter mast, a= nd my building - by Warsaw >standards - is "small". (I set a QRP world reco= rd in 2005 from such a building on 3.5mhz) Do you have access to this 30m mast ? Would it be possible to hang a vertic= al slope wire from top of the mast to top terrace on floor 15th ? >Thus to hang a dipole on such a building would not be expensive and to mou= nt a 1w TX at the dipole >center point would make beacon construction simpl= e. A dipole is not an option on MF. If the power limitation is 1w radiated pow= er, you will have to use many watts on Tx to get 1w radiated, specially with a low efficient antenna What I'm using here with great success is a 11m vertical with two 6m "arms"= as top load Then in the base of the antenna a coil about 3mH to get it in resonance. Th= e ground line of PA runs to ground using a water pipe inside the building. This is not "ground"= but the extension of the vertical antenna. So the antena is really a vertical formed by 80m + f= eed + coil + 11m + topload If you build something similar at your building tower it should provide sim= ilar results My QRP tests ended by injecting 1mW to the antenna and then I got my signal= decoded using Opera32 at 300Km by EB3FRN. All this on 630m band Your mileage may vary ....as US guys say ;-) 73 de Luis EA5DOM --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB2533287Cservigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Richard

I'm probably the only one in MF transmitting with an antenna installed= in a 80m high building (26 floors)
By Benidorm standars this is also a small tower. But I'm lucky to have= access to top terrace to grow my
antenna farm ;-)

I agree with the rest. Any beacon signal is wellcome and useful. CW, Q= RSS or digital all counts
and helps to increase activity and rise the interest of other hams

>I live in a 15 floor building, on top of which there is a 30 meter= mast, and my building - by Warsaw >standards - is "small". (I= set a QRP world record in 2005 from such a building on 3.5mhz)

Do you have access to this 30m mast ? Would it be possible to hang a v= ertical slope wire from top
of the mast to top terrace on floor 15th ?

>Thus to hang a dipole on such a building would not be expensive and to = mount a 1w TX at the dipole >center point would make beacon construction= simple.

A dipole is not an option on MF. If the power limitation is 1w radiate= d power, you will have to use
many watts on Tx to get 1w radiated, specially with a low efficient an= tenna

What I'm using here with great success is a 11m vertical with two 6m &= quot;arms" as top load
Then in the base of the antenna a coil about 3mH to get it in resonanc= e. The ground line of PA
runs to ground using a water pipe inside the building. This is not &qu= ot;ground" but the extension of
the vertical antenna. So the antena is really a vertical formed by &nb= sp;80m + feed + coil + 11m + topload

If you build something similar at your building tower it should provid= e similar results

My QRP tests ended by injecting 1mW to the antenna and then I got my s= ignal decoded using
Opera32 at 300Km by EB3FRN. All this on 630m band

Your mileage may vary ....as US guys say ;-)

73 de Luis
EA5DOM



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