Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, PLING_QUERY,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u59KYAH5014199 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:34:11 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bB6XP-0003Zl-Sf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:26:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bB6XP-0003ZT-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:26:47 +0100 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bB6XN-0004OV-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:26:46 +0100 Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBD6C20CC7 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3rQcKH591nz5vMJ for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:26:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5759D103.4010606@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:26:43 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5752A817.6080508@gmail.com> <61988954.20160604152234@mterrier.net> <5752E29B.3070708@gmail.com> <1438632730.20160604173137@mterrier.net> <1882295740.20160605232630@mterrier.net> <57553599.8070208@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57553599.8070208@gmail.com> X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: VLF: VLF loading coils for everyone?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8244 Hi all, I'm trying various VLF coil configuration in the last weeks, as you probably know. The difficulty is to get a coil which handles the voltage, the current (or heat or losses). It has to provide the necessary L. Saturation of electrical conducting ferrite or iron powder materials must be avoided. The arrangement should be not to expensive and should have a low weight. It should be as compact as possible... The latest and not yet tried idea is to use a stacked, air cored, multi-layer coil on a single PVC tube. Think about the LOPT transformers, they have many layers of turns which are isolated by a thin plastic foil. Now the idea is to use a single 0.25 m diameter tube and 0.4mm wire, i ordered 2 kg wire today! I would then wind a layer of 35mm and use 50mm thin bonding tape to isolate it from the next one. Then i wind the wire back, a second layer. In the end i could wind 5 or 7 layers. This should give a certain inductance. I have not yet calculated its value. If the goal is to get a stronger signal on 8270 Hz, i would for example need 600 mA antenna current which should be possible with such a coil, unless i don't need to many layers. 600 mA would cause about 25 kV (rms) on the antenna. The next step is to wind a second and later a third 35mm stack in a distance of 20mm on the same tube. Each stack should handle 5 kV. With 8 stacks in series i could handle 40 kV on 2970 Hz. When transmitting on 8270 Hz, i could switch 2 x 4 stacks in parallel, then i have 1/4 of the inductance and i can run 2 times as much antenna current. Variations of the coupling and different combinations of stacks could realise a resonance on many frequencies. Not sure if this was a good explanation. In a few days i will start winding first layers and will show some photos... 73, Stefan