Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.215]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-5ec14dbaa7c23e0; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:57:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3E682380000AD; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QFmIh-0006CE-1l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:55:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QFmIf-0006C5-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:55:57 +0100 Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QFmIf-0004mQ-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:55:57 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 11:55:51 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.60] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 11:55:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 11:55:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 838094.67688.bm@omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42224 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2011 11:55:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1304078151; bh=ADW+oOhXa8RCo6sMD1W5fJiFNNK4Lvg5RMSjROY8VfM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ES+jPcg02nYq3TWLfSzM7tlu30RGoTxtbs/S0JqE4Fn+9EIM/mLG14LOt9K/xxJ8Q1psg5ZOJw+qUXDZ70InXqp/DwdcqvUD7uiCFbiKEfVMZ29Zv2t0PZrxS87YBrwsITwRD2tAkPElD3snLZtgm/0Z3PwuZj5VYxHFaElCyq4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CnPV8S754iZ+6+0jvNfEzl+SH0hZ4AMvgU6bkDEMcR+veIq7X4MD3+kBnUM2IUM+SoJop1CVPrQ8OyMiKTl/wtP04VVz6sCnnKkOQnTU2BeiHQxHD1XRMw2O/QLFTqMRBFc4vUo2K/kHIkwTec117rNop+PfPx0oeOY0MNbx7LI=; Message-ID: <574249.39593.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8h..6AAVM1lZmiME4.Oi.iAT_xYXhIWhycPp.WF0sZa56d1 D0VWhfHTe1uu9mDo5Huf5ke2yz7IJfo2cq7Os_8gazwMDUK4k.lHY26t19_b 4Dbkdt67GtI_NNTAjor9s9bfqSkMUwCkzsRVnQZisu97jhakRraDQ3eRv0r. 3JmNTFVx4HERm30TixGdrUfsPOHXUpljTY.I_zExnoXZpo_WMDGhnzzjEZhd t8knQjWDxqO76D4eqlmy9bOdHzcKa0gjWU5vTml6EYeXP5lCSflY30h04T5U LmXwYJ5UMIMSpOeybfzpgpahWkFfRQJfSyQcwmatdUarrdLRAu66kyO4B0Fp 2FL8faFe7BDR6Pj_yoO0z2w-- Received: from [86.134.236.136] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:55:51 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: <001001cc05c9$a2882ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201cc05d6$01561260$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:55:51 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002201cc05d6$01561260$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: QRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-455256905-1304078151=:39593" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74dbaa7c055db X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-455256905-1304078151=:39593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal and LF Too bad Mal you have a good set up to radiate=A0on 9kc/s to help the inter= est in=20 this part of the spectrum. Most can not TX on that band because they just= do not=20 have the space=A0with an excellent antenna. There=A0are a fair number of= people in=20 UK who have invested in good RX systems that will work in limited space wi= th a=20 small antennas on VLF. IMHO VLF will never be like a highly=A0populated ba= nd like=20 the HF bands but it has it's followers like the number of reports SAQ gets= every=20 time it transmits. I would like to try=A0to receive a signal from the Scar= borough=20 area approx 190miles=A0North of here.=20 =A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 ________________________________ From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thu, 28 April, 2011 19:56:38 Subject: Re: LF: QRP Markus I have made it quite clear that presently I am not interested in Transmitt= ing on=20 9 khz and if I did you would certainly hear me.=20 I am told that I have the strongest signal on 137 and 500 khz from EU and= the=20 same would apply if I could be bothered to TX on 9 khz. Some years ago there was over 30 countries active on 137 CW and now it is= down=20 to just a few, 500 khz is likewise not worth the effort anymore and 9 khz= is not=20 worth the effort as far as I am concerned. 73 de mal/g3kev =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 >From: Markus Vester=20 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:10 PM >Subject: Re: LF: QRP > > >Righto Mal - so when will we finally see a decent 9 kHz signal from that= famous=20 >Scarborough antenna? >=A0 >73, Markus (DF6NM) > > >From: mal hamilton=20 >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:28 PM >To: rsgb=20 >Subject: LF: QRP > > >Why do some insist on flogging QRP on the LF bands. The object should be= to=20 >generate a signal that all can hear or see.=20 > >QRO is more appropriate on the lower frequencies otherwise the RX operato= r has a=20 >hard time digging the signal out of the noise. >The TX operator puts no effort into the exercise. QRP and Earth mode equa= lly=20 >disaster for those making an effort to detect signals on LF.=20 > >I leave gas pipe and electic wire underground propagation to the local ga= s/el=20 >installer and do not believe all you see on twitter and tweet >by others. >G3KEV > >=A0 --0-455256905-1304078151=:39593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal and LF
 
Too bad Mal you have a good set up to radiate on 9kc/s to help= the interest in this part of the spectrum. Most can not TX on that band= because they just do not have the space with an excellent antenna.= There are a fair number of people in UK who have invested in good RX= systems that will work in limited space with a small antennas on VLF. IMH= O VLF will never be like a highly populated band like the HF bands bu= t it has it's followers like the number of reports SAQ gets every time it= transmits. I would like to try to receive a signal from the Scarboro= ugh area approx 190miles North of here.
 
73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX=20

=
From: mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net>
To:<= /B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
S= ent: Thu, 28 April, 2011 19:56:38
Subject: Re: LF: QRP

Markus
I have made it quite clear that presently I am not= interested in Transmitting on 9 khz and if I did you would certainly hear= me.
I am told that I have the strongest signal on 137= and 500 khz from EU and the same would apply if I could be bothered to TX= on 9 khz.
Some years ago there was over 30 countries active= on 137 CW and now it is down to just a few, 500 khz is likewise not worth= the effort anymore and 9 khz is not worth the effort as far as I am conce= rned.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:10= PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRP

Righto Mal - so when will we finally see= a decent 9 kHz signal from that famous Scarborough antenna?
 
73, Markus (DF6NM)

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:28 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRP

Why do some insist on flogging QRP on the LF bands= . The object should be to generate a signal that all can hear or see.
QRO is more appropriate on the lower frequencies= otherwise the RX operator has a hard time digging the signal out of the= noise.
The TX operator puts no effort into the exercise.= QRP and Earth mode equally disaster for those making an effort to detect= signals on LF.
I leave gas pipe and electic wire underground prop= agation to the local gas/el installer and do not believe all you see on tw= itter and tweet
by others.
G3KEV
 
 
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