Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8446 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 00:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 00:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 6112 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 00:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 00:44:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14fWem-0006Y3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:39:20 +0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14fWel-0006Xy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:39:19 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id l.57.132cfa73 (5726) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <57.132cfa73.27e951ff@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:38:23 EST Subject: LF: Loran DX To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 70 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Wolf and all, triggered by John VE1ZJ's recent remarks on Loran as a skywave propagation monitor, a couple of weeks ago I took a deeper look at what could be received. John's "www.G4CNN.f2s.com/Loran_lines.htm" pointed me to the list at "www.megapulse.com/table.html". With this at hand I tried to identify the lines I could see on Argo around 100.0 kHz. The key to their frequencies is the "GRI" (group repetition interval), which is the number of 10us carrier periods between two repetitions of the modulating pulse groups. Each group consists of 9 or 8 pulses, 1 ms apart. Some of these pulses have an alternating phase, so that the periodicity of the pattern is actually two times the GRI: Master Secondary ++--+-+- + +++++--+ +--+++++ - +-+-++-- Thus the frequency spacing of the lines is Df = 100kHz/(2*GRI), eg. 100kHz/(2*7499) = 6.6676 Hz for the Sylt chain. The Loran-C carrier frequency is generated by atomic clocks and claimed to be accurate on the order of 10^-13. The chains I could clearly observe here were GRI Df Chain (Wolf's AM line) /10us /Hz 5930 8.4317 Canadian East Coast 6731 7.4283 Lessay 7001 7.1418 Bo (140*Df = 999.8572 Hz) 7030 7.1124 Saudi Arabia S 7270 6.8776 Newfoundland East Coast 7499 6.6676 Sylt (150*Df = 1000.1334 Hz) 8000 6.2500 Western Russia (160*Df = 1000.000 Hz) 8830 5.6625 Saudi Arabia N 9007 5.5512 Eide Then there were additional weak lines which were too close to 100 kHz, at offsets of 1.52, 3.04 and 4.56 Hz. Their explanation is a little more subtle: Many loran stations are "dual-rated", they transmit in two chains with different GRI's. In case of a collision between two pulses that would have to be sent simultaneously, one of the pulses is simply left out. These dropped pulses occur at the beat frequency between the two GRI's. For the Sylt station, these "intermodulation" lines are multiples of (100kHz/6731-100kHz/7499) = 1.5215Hz. There were even more lines I could not identify, eg. on 5.14, 5.90, 7.24, 8.18, 8.95 Hz. This made me wonder if the table is really complete, as stated by megapulse. Also, I can't explain Wolf's observed 999.96 Hz. The fun got even more interesting when I went to time domain. Using a programmable divider clocked by 100 kHz, I generated 2*GRI trigger signals for a digital oscilloscope in 128-averaging mode, and viewed the SSB output tuned to 100.0 kHz zero beat (thus allowing phase-sensitive averaging). With this setup I could see the individual pulse groups of distant chains grow out of the noise, identify their stations and measure the time-differences. These matched calculated great-circle distances with a surprising accuracy of less than 100us, and it even worked fine for all five of the Saudi-Arabian stations, up to 4642 km from here. Thus I think that Loran-C can be used not only as a precise frequency and time standard, but also as a powerful instrument for worldwide LF propagation monitoring, aided by its ability to resolve propagation delays. 73s and happy experimenting de Markus, DF6NM