Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u1SH3UfY003431 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 18:03:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aa4h7-0002dI-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:59:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aa4h7-0002d9-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:59:45 +0000 Received: from brian.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aa4fI-0007kg-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:59:44 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by brian.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D550832008A for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:34:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A14A28A01ED for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <56D326F1.1000102@abelian.org> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:57:21 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <56D08BEF.7070708@abelian.org> <8D33ED4DA8562EE-14E0-601004@webmail-vm018.sysops.aol.com> <56D0934B.1040700@abelian.org> <56D098D3.80501@abelian.org> <56D0B22B.2020107@abelian.org> <56D0B58A.80908@tiscali.co.uk> <56D0C373.1090004@abelian.org> <56D0CC55.1060400@tele2.se> <56D0D587.7080309@abelian.org> <56D1DEAF.10202@abelian.org> <56D1FD5F.3010301@abelian.org> <56D2DA6D.20209@tele2.se> In-Reply-To: <56D2DA6D.20209@tele2.se> X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: MF: EbNaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7087 Tobias wrote: > Can you differentiate if the koax heats the toroid or the > toroid itself gets warm ? Starting from cold, if I do a short run at full power, the wires get hot but the core only gets slightly warm. I conclude the heat is coming from the wire not the core. Johan wrote: > No fancy Litz here but the flat geometry may have helped to > reduce the skin effect loss. Yes I'm getting keen on flat wire. I think proximity loss may be a big factor here too. The secondary wire gets hot but the wire leading away from the secondary only gets slightly warm and the air cored coils of my LPF which are carrying about the same current also only get a little warm and they have thinner wire. So I reckon the strong field in the toroid is giving a lot of proximity effect. I dare not put any more current through this transformer until I've got some suitable wire. Thanks to all the advice I'm beginning to understand what I need for a good transformer. But I need a few more dB to try to reach Italy so I've connected the secondary windings in parallel instead of series and doubled the supply voltage. DC supply is now 62.5V and 3.45A compared with 27V and 3.78A. The output voltage has increased considerably too. So I think I might be about 3dB stronger for no extra heat in the toroid. Also, tonight I will go to 1 second symbols for a 5 character message. That will gain at least another 3dB. Proposing Freq: 477690.00000 Hz Start: 22:00:00 UT Coding: 8K19A Symbols: 512 at 1 second Chars: 5 Repeat: XX:00 XX:15 XX:30 XX:45 I'll run now for an hour to see if the PA is reliable with this setting, so EbNaut as above from 17:00 UT for a while. -- Paul Nicholson --