Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tB5DKcjU019939 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:20:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a5Chn-0006Wl-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:16:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a5Chn-0006Wc-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:16:51 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a5Cgo-0004oO-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:16:50 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA413273A5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8318928A0168 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5662E377.80707@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:15:35 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5662352D.6050609@abelian.org> <8D2FD5A5840B109-1CBC-D5B38@webmail-vd007.sysops.aol.com> <5662CC47.3030007@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5662CC47.3030007@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 0317e2ac8ed27149e57223a21580246d Subject: Re: LF: More EbNaut 137.777 - TA slot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5577 VO1NA 2015-12-04/05 4K19A 0.2S 131C QRO start Eb/N0 BER rank phase xcor 22:00 7.2 5.7% 0 87.0 0.44 22:30 7.0 6.2% 0 75.6 0.38 23:00 4.6 12.1% 0 56.3 0.28 23:30 no decode 78.7 0.22 00:00 9.0 2.6% 0 69.8 0.46 00:30 no decode 51.3 0.12 01:00 no decode 37.1 0.13 01:30 no decode 0.03 02:00 no decode 0.05 02:30 no decode 128.9 0.09 03:00 1.4 20.8% 6 124.2 0.20 03:30 5.5 9.8% 0 73.0 0.24 04:00 4.9 11.4% 0 35.6 0.27 04:30 3.5 15.2% 0 80.6 0.18 05:00 5.3 10.2% 0 139.5 0.23 05:30 no further decodes 36.8 0.08 06:00 55.9 0.11 06:30 143.7 0.10 07:00 51.4 0.19 07:30 0.04 08:00 71.4 0.10 08:30 0.03 09:00 0.06 09:30 0.05 10:00 0.03 10:30 0.04 11:00 0.03 xcor is the correlation coefficient of the entire message. phase is measured in bandwidth 1.524mHz (= 1/message_duration). I have a suspicion from the above data that the decoder is not working properly on these long messages. It is possible that the accumulated path metrics are running out of numeric precision after traversing a trellis of 821 stages. This I should investigate before any further over-the-air trials with such long codewords. Correlation of the received signal with the encoded message produces nice correlation spikes. For example the correlation spectrum of the 03:00 message looks like http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/151205a.gif and zooming in on the spike http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/151205b.gif reveals the correct triangular shape as the signal is brought into alignment with the template. The offset here is about +20mS and roughly half of that is propagation delay. With such a large number of symbols (3280), even a message which doesn't decode produces a clear correlation and very low auto-correlation sidebands. With sufficiently accurate tx bit clock, correlation provides a good way to measure the path length. With a strong enough signal and a much shorter symbol period it might be possible to distinguish multiple paths. Unfortunately the width of the LF band limits what can be done there. -- Paul Nicholson --