Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tAJLm8Yn008244 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 22:48:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZzX0M-0006Rp-31 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:44:34 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZzX0L-0006Rg-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:44:33 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzWzI-0001Nj-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:44:32 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7923273A5 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52ED28A003C for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <564E426F.4040307@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:43:11 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <564E1F03.5080500@abelian.org> <8D2F11C689A127D-15C4-D5FE9@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com> <564E3112.6060903@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <564E3112.6060903@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut LF test from iz7slz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5212 The 20:30 message from IZ7SLZ: found rank 0: GE PAUL TNX RPRT ps [ 1 180 180 180 180] re-encode 296/1040 ber 2.85e-01 Es/N0=-7.9 Eb/N0=2.4 effrate=1/10.83 In this case, the initial reference phase was good. Bit clock is lagging 45 mS on this one. In answer to an earlier question from Andy, there's no facility in the decoder to search for the correct bit clock offset, or frequency offset for that matter. (I think Markus has some tools he's put together to help with that). I just do trial and error. I assume that it's fairly easy to set a PC clock to within 50mS with ntpd, even on Windows. If you have a DSL line which isn't too asymmetric, you can use an Internet time server and get within 50mS. This mode really requires sender and receiver to make sure their bit clock and RF frequency are exact enough. EbNaut signals don't include any sort of pattern that the receiver can use to synchronise with it - that costs far too many dBs. It's cheaper to install ntpd than to double your tx power. The reason for the time offset parameter really is to allow you to start recording early so that blankers can settle, etc. And the frequency offset is to accommodate say a DDS that doesn't do the exact frequency, or a rubidium offset. It's a last resort if you have to be guessing offsets to find a decode. It means you're covering up for a fault. Markus just wrote: > same here when using the show_rawsyms3a utility. The peak > in the skyblue spectrum-of-squares will conveniently > guide you to the correct frequency and time offset if > Eb/N0 is above 4 dB or so. And also the constellation plot is just a blob below 3 or 4dB, with no discernible axis to hint of a reference phase. When you look at it, it's remarkable that anything can be decoded from it. 21:00 message not decoded, Domenico are you QRT now? I will be soon but the rx carries on recording. -- Paul Nicholson --