Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t9NMachw013548 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:36:38 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zpku0-0001HZ-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:33:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zpku0-0001HQ-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:33:36 +0100 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zpkt0-0002Gb-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:33:35 +0100 Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9241F20986 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3njL0L3hCfz5vMK for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <562AB572.7030302@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:32:18 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B25A181@servigilant.vigilant.local> <5628B2D0.7060002@posteo.de> <5629507B.6010907@posteo.de> <360BD4613E1A4110ABB92063DA37C523@pcn5> <562AAEBA.8080502@posteo.de> <47FC42C8A3FA48D482F115C9C3D8787B@gnat> In-Reply-To: <47FC42C8A3FA48D482F115C9C3D8787B@gnat> X-Scan-Signature: 4c68a2de3e8889496b681f3e16d4f49a Subject: Re: LF: To DK7FC : measuring low levels RF current. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070001030200070808010500" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4592 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070001030200070808010500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alan, Hm, do i misunderstand something now? Just to make it clear: I certainly know how to measure a RF current on DC to HF and above :-) Higher currents? Well, 20A is fine for me, otherwise the decca RF sitz becomes to warm, not to talk about the high voltages ;-) 73, Stefan Am 24.10.2015 00:18, schrieb Alan Melia: > Stefan try a look at http://g4hup.com/RFC/RFC.htm > its 100ma/1A full-scale. Follow the documentation, click under the pic > and find the circuit and cal procedure which should give a clue to > reading higher currents too. > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* DK7FC > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 11:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: To DK7FC : measuring low levels RF current. > > Hello Andi, > > Thanks for the info. What does this amperemeter cost? > I think i would know how to build an amperemeter for 100 mA FS. > However my ranges are 5A / 10A / 20A :-) I'm directly measuring > the antenna current, i.e. not on the 50 Ohm level. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 23.10.2015 14:53, schrieb F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB: >> >> Helo Stefan, >> >> For info, here I am using a *MFJ 834* RF Ammeter. It is working >> well on MF band, it just need to be first re-calibrate on MF band >> (only one variable resistance to adjust) using a low power signal >> into a 50 Ohms pure resistive load. >> >> It is quite linear for RF current measurement from 25 mA to 3 >> Amperes, in 3 swiched scales. >> >> Using it on the 50 Ohms coaxial cable, just after your TX output, >> you have a good estimation of your TX power output from 30 milli >> watt to 450 watts. >> >> You can also use it on the cold end of the antenna side. >> Depending at the overall antenna system resistance, you can read >> the real antenna current… >> >> 73 de Andy. >> >> *From:* DK7FC >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:09 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Subject:* LF: M0LMH >> Hi MF, >> >> Since a few hours i'm transmitting WSPR with the variable mains >> transformer turned to 0%. So just the driver is switching the >> FETs. Anyway a few mW TX power seem to be generated and radiated. >> I can see no reading on the RF amperemeter. >> Anyway i got 15 spots: >> Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475685 -22 0 JN49ik 1 M0LMH >> IO93gx 862 310 >> 2015-10-22 20:24 DK7FC 0.475683 -19 0 JN49ik 1 F5WK >> JN18hp 452 261 >> 2015-10-22 20:44 DK7FC 0.475682 -21 0 JN49ik 1 PA0A >> JO33de 449 339 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 PA0RDT >> JO11tm 428 305 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -17 0 JN49ik 1 PA3ABK >> JO21it 386 315 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -15 0 JN49ik 1 DH5RAE >> JN68qv 345 98 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -18 0 JN49ik 1 PI4THT >> JO32kf 336 338 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -15 0 JN49ik 1 DJ0ABR >> JN68nt 329 101 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -22 0 JN49ik 1 DG8RW >> JN69cv 257 77 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475682 -23 0 JN49ik 1 DF2JP >> JO31hh 256 325 >> 2015-10-22 20:54 DK7FC 0.475683 -27 1 JN49ik 1 DC0DX_H >> JO31lk 255 332 >> 2015-10-22 20:24 DK7FC 0.475684 -24 0 JN49ik 1 DB1EPO >> JO31hg 252 325 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475684 -21 0 JN49ik 1 DF6NM >> JN59nj 175 91 >> 2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475684 -7 0 JN49ik 1 DK2DB >> JN48fw 58 198 >> 2015-10-22 20:34 DK7FC 0.475686 -10 0 JN49ik 1 DF8UO >> JN48ex 56 206 >> >> >> M0LMH is the best distance. Also in daytime i can see that M0LMH >> is receiving me, often beeing the only one from UK. >> Does someone know him and his equipment? Would be interesting to >> know! In IO93GX, there is not population. Certainly one reason >> for the good results... >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: Now QRO... > --------------070001030200070808010500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alan,

Hm, do i misunderstand something now?
Just to make it clear: I certainly know how to measure a RF current on DC to HF and above :-)
Higher currents? Well, 20A is fine for me, otherwise the decca RF sitz becomes to warm, not to talk about the high voltages ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 24.10.2015 00:18, schrieb Alan Melia:
Stefan try a look at http://g4hup.com/RFC/RFC.htm
its 100ma/1A full-scale. Follow the documentation, click under the pic and find the circuit and cal procedure which should give a clue to reading higher currents too.
 
Alan
G3NYK 
----- Original Message -----
From: DK7FC
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: To DK7FC : measuring low levels RF current.

Hello Andi,

Thanks for the info. What does this amperemeter cost?
I think i would know how to build an amperemeter for 100 mA FS. However my ranges are 5A / 10A / 20A :-) I'm directly measuring the antenna current, i.e. not on the 50 Ohm level.

73, Stefan

Am 23.10.2015 14:53, schrieb F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB:

Helo Stefan,

 

For info, here I am using a MFJ 834 RF Ammeter. It is working well on MF band, it just need to be first re-calibrate on MF band (only one variable resistance to adjust) using a low power signal into a 50 Ohms pure resistive load.

 

It is quite linear for RF current measurement from 25 mA to 3 Amperes, in 3 swiched scales.

 

Using it on the 50 Ohms coaxial cable, just after your TX output, you have a good estimation of your TX power output from 30 milli watt to 450 watts.

 

You can also use it on the cold end of the antenna side. Depending at the overall antenna system resistance, you can read the real antenna current…

 

73 de Andy.

 
From: DK7FC
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:09 PM
Subject: LF: M0LMH
 
Hi MF,

Since a few hours i'm transmitting WSPR with the variable mains transformer turned to 0%. So just the driver is switching the FETs. Anyway a few mW TX power seem to be generated and radiated. I can see no reading on the RF amperemeter.
Anyway i got 15 spots:
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475685 -22 0 JN49ik 1 M0LMH IO93gx 862 310
2015-10-22 20:24 DK7FC 0.475683 -19 0 JN49ik 1 F5WK JN18hp 452 261
2015-10-22 20:44 DK7FC 0.475682 -21 0 JN49ik 1 PA0A JO33de 449 339
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 PA0RDT JO11tm 428 305
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -17 0 JN49ik 1 PA3ABK JO21it 386 315
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -15 0 JN49ik 1 DH5RAE JN68qv 345 98
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -18 0 JN49ik 1 PI4THT JO32kf 336 338
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -15 0 JN49ik 1 DJ0ABR JN68nt 329 101
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475683 -22 0 JN49ik 1 DG8RW JN69cv 257 77
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475682 -23 0 JN49ik 1 DF2JP JO31hh 256 325
2015-10-22 20:54 DK7FC 0.475683 -27 1 JN49ik 1 DC0DX_H JO31lk 255 332
2015-10-22 20:24 DK7FC 0.475684 -24 0 JN49ik 1 DB1EPO JO31hg 252 325
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475684 -21 0 JN49ik 1 DF6NM JN59nj 175 91
2015-10-22 20:14 DK7FC 0.475684 -7 0 JN49ik 1 DK2DB JN48fw 58 198
2015-10-22 20:34 DK7FC 0.475686 -10 0 JN49ik 1 DF8UO JN48ex 56 206

M0LMH is the best distance. Also in daytime i can see that M0LMH is receiving me, often beeing the only one from UK.
Does someone know him and his equipment? Would be interesting to know! In IO93GX, there is not population. Certainly one reason for the good results...

73, Stefan

PS: Now QRO...
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