Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t4TLmAMb029464 for ; Fri, 29 May 2015 23:48:10 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YyS5z-0006UE-6C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2015 22:45:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YyS5y-0006U5-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2015 22:45:38 +0100 Received: from smtp-out01.xworks.net ([31.25.48.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YyS5w-0007Qa-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2015 22:45:37 +0100 Received: from mailbackend3 (cluster06.xworks.net [10.100.1.80]) by smtp-out01.xworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF06260CB7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2015 23:45:35 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=kabelmail.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kabelmail.de; s=mail; t=1432935935; bh=0hd5T+UT+0Zd68ItViSJzTTh990hp9KqSjUU4o3NySo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=QuioW5/iR7FC9iCxLDk+EAROJ8zjxz5kDYYdnxPXew0J6VbWQth//OaPvBKAAiEzq oYY1TP6wJV7bqZrlWPf9YW7p6FpVGZ5QIzdrnlbIsY4eMZsSXd4H9tjbN1Hk1FFfzc Z0bRzUQQsBdzQoqQYpfuHIVoMgwCIWZcp5xZWEdA= Received: from [192.168.178.33] (ip25042998.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [37.4.41.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com with ESMTP id t4TLjUDI015308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 May 2015 23:45:30 +0200 X-mediaBEAM-Originating-IP: [37.4.41.152] X-mediaBEAM-AUTHID: [DK1IS@kabelmail.de] Message-ID: <5568DE08.5030708@kabelmail.de> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 23:45:44 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A2355DC54@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A2355DC54@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> X-mediaBEAM-AuthCheck: route13 X-mediaBEAM-AuthScore: 0.0/5.0, scanned in 4.654sec X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: Antennas on low bands : the Siegel and Labus books. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060106030907070202020901" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3352 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060106030907070202020901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 29.05.2015 um 21:59 schrieb Rik Strobbe: > > Hi Bob, > > small is a relative thing on LF. > > A DDRR with a perimeter of 0.25 lambda and a height of 0.025 lamdba is > indeed small on 144MHz, but on 137kHz the perimeter becomes 550m and > the height a respectable 55m. > > Not a backyard antenna ... > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Hi Rik and Bob, acoording to Rothammel et alt. in my former 10 meter version I used a height of 0,007 lambda, so you should need rods of only 15,4 meters - but anyway ... ;-) 73, Tom, DK1IS --------------060106030907070202020901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id t4TLjUDI015308
Am 29.05.2015 um 21:59 schrieb Rik Strobbe:

Hi Bob,

=A0

small is a relative thing on LF.

A DDRR with a perimeter of 0.25 lambda and a height of 0.025 lamdba is indeed small on 144MHz, but on 137kHz the perimeter becomes 550m and the height a respectable 55m.

Not a backyard antenna ...

=A0

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


Hi Rik and Bob,

acoording to Rothammel et alt. in my former 10 meter version I used a height of 0,007 lambda, so you should need rods of only 15,4 meters - but anyway ...=A0 ;-)

73,
Tom, DK1IS
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