Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t4QGiFxU016833 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 18:44:15 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YxHvF-0003xQ-GX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YxHvF-0003xH-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:45 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YxHvD-0001p6-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.155.100] ([2.244.47.19]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M9JYE-1Yq7C63Hvq-00CgKp; Tue, 26 May 2015 18:41:40 +0200 Message-ID: <5564A243.9010902@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:41:39 +0200 From: Jochen Althoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <5561CEB5.3060506@charter.net> <5561ECC1.8030301@kpnmail.nl> <556222D3.11110.8F3A44@roelof.ndb.demon.nl> <55623C9A.4060107@charter.net> <000e01d096dd$ac91f5d0$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> <556311FA.7090205@posteo.de> <55636912.1010105@no3m.net> <55636E96.3040506@posteo.de> <55638C47.1090402@freenet.de> <5563AD3E.2090204@posteo.de> <55649E42.3070906@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:YqYzn/LItKttmSgP/XB72YdiviDkMGCb8YRs6CJDQ532Ct7P0j0 yVBtNh9utmomtKVwdESM43qf1+f1azn4jxGfZa4ktEzFLBSYeAWUnif9kFlDkwuDnVd3dNP XkzBt6zekCs0zK8FWcNJE9WWKUx/kdAlRBeZDfrEzWw4a2NlkscB8dr5df6rT21DwZL3JGl AOyzyWOcnjlrsOUsavFrw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: 630M WSPR T/A - WSPR-15? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3290 I am also on WSPR-15 tonight with my tx and running 2 rx, one on wspr-2 and one on wspr-15. 73, Jochen df1vb Am 26.05.2015 um 18:31 schrieb Andy Talbot: > I'll be putting my WSPR-15 transmission on later. > Probably starting around 2100(z) > > Andy G4JNT > > On 26 May 2015 at 17:24, wolf_dl4yhf > wrote: > > rrr Stefan and Markus - thanks for the info. > > I have two instances of WSPR-X running, launched from the same > directory, one configured (manually) for WSPR-2 and the other for > -15. Not a single decode from the latter yet. > > I guess as long as they run, the two instances don't interfear (:o) > > 73, > Wolf DL4YHF . > > > Am 26.05.2015 02:19, schrieb Markus Vester: >> Wolf, as far as I know the only way to separate them in the >> database seems to be sorting by frequency (which is not very >> useful otherwise). There is a peculiarity in that the hh:15 and >> hh:45 timestamps in the database seem to be "rectified" to even >> minutes (hh:16 and hh:46) at midnight UT (just happened to G4JNT >> entries). >> Stefan, I'm not sure about not using -15 on MF. Even though fading >> is faster and deeper, the WSPR decoder seems to cope well with it. >> After all WSPR-2 is useful on HF where fading happens in seconds. >> The spectrogram of Andy's transmission last night sometimes showed >> two deep fades in one sequence, but it was decoded ok. It has been >> argued that a very short and strong maximum might be utilized >> by -2 and not by -15, and maybe there's not all of the theoretical >> 9 dB gain, but I reckon on average it's not much less. >> Laurence yes your frequencies are correct, dial 475.2 kHz, RF: >> 475.6 - 475.8 WSPR-2, 475.8 - 475.825 WSPR-15. >> I wonder if it is possible to run two instances of WSPRX side by >> side on the same machine, one for -2 and one for -15? Or would >> they crash one another? >> 73, Markus >> >> *From:* DK7FC >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:16 AM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF: 630M WSPR T/A >> >> Am 25.05.2015 22:55, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: >>> p.s. is there a possibility to filter / display only WSPR-15 >>> decodes from the database, and how widespread is the use of that >>> mode ? >> >> ...there have been a few MF TA tests in WSPR-15 in the early 630m >> days, showing that this mode is to slow for the path on that band. >> These tests have not been very extended though. But most likely >> there is not a 'gain' of 9 dB over WSPR-2. I would assume that >> successful detections are even less likely in that mode over the pond. >> >> 73, Stefan > > -- -= DF1VB =- -= KH2MM =- Jochen Althoff +49 171 2020206 "The wireless telegraph is not difficult to understand. The ordinary telegraph is like a very long cat. You pull the tail in New York, and it meows in Los Angeles. The wireless is the same, only without the cat." (Albert Einstein)