Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t41H8IHx015458 for ; Fri, 1 May 2015 19:08:19 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YoENV-0004Kg-95 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:05:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YoENU-0004KX-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:05:28 +0100 Received: from smtp2.execulink.net ([69.63.44.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YoENS-0002cy-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 18:05:27 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=execulink.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=execulink.com; s=execulink1; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=VIRmSrWI+RagnmS1G7401EQcgJNutGY+bghLyIN5psU=; b=pLAV/epWKJgRPW8ss6Ew3jhOkqr8ip4VzZMB4aJGzUDytQqdk5HWL8sjh1MCkGh25KzrnQvIjpjzIqDB+zAcx1CX8IfTRuc1aD8Tf0YaB0tKvqaKF7iiTMjesen5wXhWi62I/hXGXS8aEQDz+WBSppYJ5GpOl/W6pRKsHqufTNsKwBsx3I+KaD5dmsBYHJ9vxTLy7JOCRYLR2C2oPGxiXEiLl7NAJYxhpN0L2zTTqhpp8ZPBuVqNcKadVQ4NIMZmeratD4/VER4LtPT040AGDdg7xULCGodfQjAdltI4Lag8nBju9u1/CH1iaKTDjKpcJOXUYg35L06/Li2kBnowdA==; Received: from h32.42.63.69.cable.ottr.cablerocket.net ([69.63.42.32] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1YoENP-0007Sm-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 13:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5543B280.4000504@execulink.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 13:06:08 -0400 From: Terry Maurice User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-PMX-Versions: AntiSpam="2.7.2--2015.5.1.61215" AntiVirus="3.60.0--5.14--9087959" X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, SubjectGauge=, Report='HTML_NO_HTTP 0.1, DATE_TZ_NA 0, SPF_NONE 0, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_6000_6999 0, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS 0, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED 0, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC **, RDNS_SUSP **, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, REFERENCES 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __USER_AGENT 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __REFERENCES 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __BAT_BOUNDARY 0, __ANY_URI 0, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NO_PATH 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __HAS_HTML 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0, __URI_NS 0, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL 0, _69.63.42.32 **' X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080405080600040708080605" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3037 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080405080600040708080605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alan I would be interested to know which W&G selective level meters you have. I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch filter. They seem to work reasonably well and signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF upconverter. However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands. I do from time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and Iceland. Terry On 07/04/2015 19:40, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Iban, They do work, but you must realise they are not intended as > radio receivers, and in many aspects their performance as radios is > compromised by their design as line measuring instruments. Problems > include IMD and lack of front end filtering, some lack audio output. > Yes you can get round this or you can be lucky that you location and > antenna help mitigate the problems. > You might be better to consider an SDR these days but make sure it > really cover the frequencies of interest. Graham G0NBD has information > on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B dongles. In Europe there are a > lot more LF signals from very strong stations than in the US so be > careful of US opinions that rate these as receivers. I have a couple > of W&G units which while useful as test equipment are less than > brilliant and barely worth their cost as receivers. > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Iban Cardona > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM > *Subject:* LF: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF > > Hi, > > I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using it? > > Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz? > > Thanks for advance > > 73! Iban > eb3frn > -- *VE3XTM* EN93un --------------080405080600040708080605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alan

I would be interested to know which W&G selective level meters you have.  I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch filter.  They seem to work reasonably well and signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF upconverter.  However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands.  I do from time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and Iceland.

Terry

On 07/04/2015 19:40, Alan Melia wrote:
Hi Iban, They do work, but you must realise they are not intended as radio receivers, and in many aspects their performance as radios is compromised by their design as line measuring instruments. Problems include IMD and lack of front end filtering, some lack audio output. Yes you can get round this or you can be lucky that you location and antenna help mitigate the problems. 
 
You might be better to consider an SDR these days but make sure it really cover the frequencies of interest. Graham G0NBD has information on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B dongles. In Europe there are a lot more LF signals from very strong stations than in the US so be careful of US opinions that rate these as receivers. I have a couple of W&G units which while useful as test equipment are less than brilliant and barely worth their cost as receivers.
 
Alan
G3NYK
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Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM
Subject: LF: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi,

I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using it? 

Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz?

Thanks for advance

73! Iban
eb3frn


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