From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:50:45 -0000
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Subject: Re: LF: OPdynamic false T/A spot
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Jay,

I am inclined to agree with you, but almost all of the Deep Search 
spots that have no question marks are genuine. If at all possible, 
spots =with= the question marks should not be uploaded to PSK 
Reporter as most are false.

Also, I suggested early on that callsigns are on the database for too 
long, and should only be a couple of hours after the last known 
'real' Op decode. 

These steps would of course slightly reduce the number of genuine 
weak signals decoded/reported but the result would be far more 
accurate and still show a useful increase in sensitivity over Op.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Yes, we're all aware that the spots are not checked. The problem is
> PSK Reporter apparently has no way to present the ?? from an OPdynamic
> spot. Since the ?? are not there, the ?? spots  look exactly the same
> as real spots. This is a serious problem as there is no way to tell
> the difference! OPdynamic spots should not be unploaded to PSK
> Reporter until this problem is corrected. Until it's corrected all OP
> reports obtained from PSK Reporter should be viewed with a great deal
> of skepticism.
> 
> I have no clue as to the point you're trying to get across in the rest
> of your post. It doesn't appear relevant to the bigger problem
> outlined above.
> 
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: OPdynamic false T/A spot
> 
> 
> > over 10 hours since the
> > transmitter was last on
> >
> > Could  of  been  long path ?
> >
> > Unfortunately , as  in any mode ,  the uploads to  the  psk-map  
> > are  not checked ,
> >
> > There  is  something  odd  about the  15-07  spot  as   one  is  -42
> >  and the  other  -43 ,  must be  x2  opera running  with the  same 
> > audio feed , as there  are   x 2  spots  from the  same call
> >
> > X 2  Opera  with  same audio  feed  will  produce the  same  results
> > .  in this  case  the  system has  x2  the  same call  from the 
> > same  station , so  looks  to  be  real, un expected  condition  ,
> > out  side the  operating  envelope
> >
> > 73-G,
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 3:59 PM
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Subject: Re: LF: OPdynamic false T/A spot
> >
> >> According to PSK reporter I now have a spot from  R7NT as of 1507
> >> UTC ... over 10 hours since the transmitter was last on ... and in
> >> broad daylight! Reports generated by PSK reporter do not show ??
> >> ... they appear an any normal spot and might be accepted as such.
> >> I, and other folks,  don't leave OP software running 24/7 so how
> >> are we to know the spots shown on PSK reporter are real or not? I
> >> would say OPdynamic spots should not be forwarded to PSK reporter.
> >>
> >> Maybe I can apply for an award ... most spots collected without the
> >> transmitter even being turned on! ;~)
> >>
> >> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> >> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 9:13 AM
> >> Subject: Re: LF: OPdynamic false T/A spot
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jay,
> >>>
> >>> -25  over 1000 Miles ,  nice  going  !
> >>>
> >>> Another  1 dB  [ish]  would  of  triggered  the  opera  decoder
> >>> with Mike.. 4 min lag  is spot-on SP5  is   100%  random  ,  will 
> >>> of been  flagged    '??'  on the  opera listing
> >>>
> >>> 73-G,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> sNR mode MHz rxTime senderCallsign senderLocator
> >>> receiverCallsignreceiverLocator receiverAntennaInformation submode
> >>> OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 01:05 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon
> >>> Op32 every 00:00 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 01:22 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 01:42 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00-17 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 01:45 WD2XNS FN31LS KA9CFD EN40OM RX Op326 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 01:45 WD2XNS FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX Op32 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 02:00 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every
> >>> 00:00 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 02:18 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS
> >>> Beacon Op32 every 00:00-23 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 02:18 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS KA9CFD EN40OM RX Op325 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 02:18 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX Op32 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 02:38 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00-27 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 02:51 WD2XNS FN31LS KA9CFD EN40OM RX Op326 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 02:51 WD2XNS FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX Op32 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 02:55 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every
> >>> 00:00 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:15 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS
> >>> Beacon Op32 every 00:00-23 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:24 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS KA9CFD EN40OM RX Op326 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:24 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX Op32 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:33 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 03:53 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every
> >>> 00:005 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:56 WD2XNS FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX
> >>> Op32-25 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:56 WD2XNS FN31LS KA9CFD EN40OM
> >>> RX Op32-31 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 03:56 WD2XNS FN31LS K3SIW-2
> >>> EN52TA RX Op32 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 04:11 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 04:29 WD2XNS
> >>> FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every 00:00-27 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 04:29 WD2XNS FN31LS K3SIW-2 EN52TA RX Op325 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 04:29 WD2XNS FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH RX Op32 OPERA 0.136
> >>> 01/02/2015 04:49 WD2XNS FN31LS WD2XNS FN31LS Beacon Op32 every
> >>> 00:00-22 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 05:02 WD2XNS FN31LS K3SIW-2 EN52TA
> >>> RX Op326 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 05:02 WD2XNS FN31LS W1TAG FN42CH
> >>> RX Op32-43 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 05:06 WD2XNS FN31LS G3XDV IO91VT
> >>> Op32_||||_~36dB
> >>>
> >>> --FALSE---43 OPERA 0.136 01/02/2015 07:30 WD2XNS FN31LS SP5XSB
> >>> KO02LD RX Op32--------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 1:56
> >>> PM To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: LF: OPdynamic false
> >>> T/A spot
> >>>
> >>>> In checking last night's spots for WD2XNS ... the spot by SP5XSB
> >>>> occured after the WD2XNS transmitter had been off for over two
> >>>> hours. Please
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 02/03/15
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