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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Schumann in my garden, further design improvements
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Hi ELF friends,

Now the circuit is in a box: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/Living%20in%20a%20box.jpg

I measured the resistance against ground (which should be infinity!) 
with an old Rohde & Schwarz tube multimeter, maybe from the 1960s. It 
can measure R up to 3 G Ohm.  Positive results, no change of the 
displayed R if i connect the D.U.T.
I think Ha-Jo DJ1ZB may know the multimeter from his early days :-) 
Image: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/cooperating%20generations%20of%20technique.jpg

New measurements tomorrow...

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 06.10.2014 22:29, schrieb DK7FC:
> Hi Edgar,
>
> Of course you were right.
> I thought i don't need a completely shielded box because i am in the 
> garden and there is no electricity.
> But, the gate of the FET is quasi-floating and there is always some 
> stray-C between the antenna wire and that gate.
> Even 0.1 pF coupling C and 100 MOhm means a HPF cut off near 16 kHz !! 
> I run a test, disconnecting the antenna from the preamp and placed the 
> end of the wire in 0.2m distance. The SNR of DHO38 on 23.4 kHz was 30 
> dB, despite connected circuitry (diodes, filter, stray-C to ground).
> Now i will again move the circuit, into a shielded box :-)
> More results tomorrow.
> Nice stuff to play with! Still some warm autumn days here...
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 06.10.2014 00:51, schrieb edgar:
>> Hi Stefan,
>>
>> I suggest that you cover the LPF and FET with a piece of tin to stop 
>> any external signals entering the circuit after the LPF.
>>
>> A thin piece of metal from coffee tin or similar food container can 
>> be bent in a U shape to cover the components and then soldered at a 
>> few points to the copper ground plane.
>>
>> Just leave a small clearance holes at the ends for the wires to pass 
>> through.
>>
>> Regards, Edgar
>> Moonah, Tasmania.
>>
>>

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Hi ELF friends, <br>
<br>
Now the circuit is in a box:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/Living%20in%20a%20box.jpg">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/Living%20in%20a%20box.jpg</a><br>
<br>
I measured the resistance against ground (which should be infinity!)
with an old Rohde &amp; Schwarz tube multimeter, maybe from the 1960s.
It can measure R up to 3 G Ohm.&nbsp; Positive results, no change of the
displayed R if i connect the D.U.T.<br>
I think Ha-Jo DJ1ZB may know the multimeter from his early days :-)
Image:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/cooperating%20generations%20of%20technique.jpg">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/cooperating%20generations%20of%20technique.jpg</a><br>
<br>
New measurements tomorrow...<br>
<br>
73, Stefan/DK7FC<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 06.10.2014 22:29, schrieb DK7FC:
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Hi Edgar, <br>
  <br>
Of course you were right. <br>
I thought i don't need a completely shielded box because i am in the
garden and there is no electricity. <br>
But, the gate of the FET is quasi-floating and there is always some
stray-C between the antenna wire and that gate. <br>
Even 0.1 pF coupling C and 100 MOhm means a HPF cut off near 16 kHz !!
I run a test, disconnecting the antenna from the preamp and placed the
end of the wire in 0.2m distance. The SNR of DHO38 on 23.4 kHz was 30
dB, despite connected circuitry (diodes, filter, stray-C to ground).<br>
Now i will again move the circuit, into a shielded box :-)<br>
More results tomorrow.<br>
Nice stuff to play with! Still some warm autumn days here...<br>
  <br>
73, Stefan/DK7FC<br>
  <br>
Am 06.10.2014 00:51, schrieb edgar:
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    <font face="Arial">Hi Stefan,<br>
    <br>
I suggest that you cover the LPF and FET with a piece of tin to stop
any external signals entering the circuit after the LPF.<br>
    <br>
A thin piece of metal from coffee tin or similar food container can be
bent in a U shape to cover the components and then soldered at a few
points to the copper ground plane.<br>
    <br>
Just leave a small clearance holes at the ends for the wires to pass
through.<br>
    <br>
Regards, Edgar<br>
Moonah, Tasmania.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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