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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:37:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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Subject: Re: LF: Why is this group not a Yahoo group with archives and web access?
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Hi Roger, why is it not a Yahoo list?? Well for one reason it was set up=
 when Yahoo Groups did not exist !! This group have been in operation for=
 around 12 years I should think, set up initially for enabling a very few=
 73kHz NoV holders to co-ordinate their testing. It predates and soundcard=
-spectrograms and QRSS, but has been a vital factor in the development of=
 those facilities over the years. It proved far more effective than a amat=
eur-packet BBS at the time which was deluged with know-all detractors.
There are people who keep archives. I dont think he keeps it up to date no=
w but I know Peter Dodd G3LDO used to have an archive of technical mails=
 on his site a few years ago. One problem with some archives is that they=
 immmediately open the list addesses to harvesting by web crawlers. You wi=
ll see this if you press the reply button.....although the reply is sent=
 to the group the sender's address is there to read. I have a "helpfull"=
 US archiver to thank for getting in excess of 250 spams a day at the heig=
ht. It now seem to be dropping off the lists.

The software is quite old now but stable . It has a few bugs (features?)=
 but we havent had too much trouble it is set up to disuade people sending=
 enormous attachments because it was configured in the days of dial-up, bu=
t that has proved an enduring success. It has proved to be a good meeting=
 point for LF and MF enthusiast world wide. There did at one time seem to=
 be a great reluctance for people to sign on to Yahoo Groups with all the=
 personal information information they wanted. (we are too well behaved in=
 this country.....one of our American friends replied....."just lie!" but=
 it seems to be against our British principes :-)) )

Several addition Yahoo groups have appeared from time to time but there is=
 a problem with having too many places to look for volatile, often time cr=
itical information.....so the old Majordomo has stood the test of time. Gr=
aham's 500kHz site is the best and most succesful.

Cheers
Alan G3NYK


--- On Sun, 7/3/10, Paul Nicholson <vlf0308@abelian.org> wrote:

> From: Paul Nicholson <vlf0308@abelian.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Why is this group not a Yahoo group with archives and=
 web access?
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 6:48
> Roger Lapthorn wrote:
> > it would be much better if it was a Yahoo Group.
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> It can often take a long time - several hours, for a
> message
> to come through a Yahoo group.=A0 Useless for activity
> alerts.
> Sometimes messages are lost completely, or appear in the
> group archives but are not received by email.
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> > All messages are archived and can be searched easily,
> even
> > years later
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> Maybe, so long as Yahoo continue the service.=A0 There's
> nothing
> to stop them pulling the plug on a group - or all groups
> for that
> matter, if business policy changes.
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> One of the nice things about joining the LF list is to find
> a
> simple no-nonsense email reflector with a short reliable
> round-trip time - so refreshing compared with the Yahoo
> monster
> clunky too-full-of-features unreliable group server.
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> --
> Paul Nicholson
> --
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