Delivered-To: daveyxm@virginmedia.com Received: by 10.50.237.98 with SMTP id vb2csp29049igc; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:08:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.207.194 with SMTP id n42mr7519536eeo.76.1388848095396; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:08:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com. [195.171.43.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l44si75850605eem.229.2014.01.04.07.08.14 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=195.171.43.25; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1VzSmJ-00024E-Qg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:04:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1VzSmJ-000245-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:04:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VzSmG-0000XJ-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:04:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8BAOQhyFJOlniU/2dsb2JhbAANS4JHfKdukg6BIYMZAQEBAQNVEhIQCwcCCAMBAQEBCRYIBwkDAgECATQJCBMBBQIBAYdsAx6oXJpSF4x8gTERAQI9EQcJhC4ElDODZIEwlBKBcQ X-IPAS-Result: Ap8BAOQhyFJOlniU/2dsb2JhbAANS4JHfKdukg6BIYMZAQEBAQNVEhIQCwcCCAMBAQEBCRYIBwkDAgECATQJCBMBBQIBAYdsAx6oXJpSF4x8gTERAQI9EQcJhC4ElDODZIEwlBKBcQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,603,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="597375404" Received: from host-78-150-120-148.as13285.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([78.150.120.148]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2014 15:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: <52C82304.9060200@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:04:36 +0000 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de References: <663eb40bd8f241bfab2b8b4f4459c496@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <663eb40bd8f241bfab2b8b4f4459c496@kabelmail.de> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140103-0, 03/01/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Wow Uwe Is it the extra briquet, the new frequency or does your antenna perform better on 8270.00KHz. Nice signal in 424uHz FFT View and my split frequency Other Test View. http://www.g3zjo.talktalk.net/vlfgrabber.htm subject to noise from rain here today. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_REMOTE_IMAGE Message contains an external image X-Scan-Signature: b3b0f15d0cbaee08765b7bacd0352512 Subject: Re: LF: 8270Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000000010804050208070304" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000000010804050208070304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow Uwe Is it the extra briquet, the new frequency or does your antenna perform better on 8270.00KHz. Nice signal in 424uHz FFT View and my split frequency Other Test View. http://www.g3zjo.talktalk.net/vlfgrabber.htm subject to noise from rain here today. 73 Eddie G3ZJO On 04/01/2014 14:21, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: > Hi Paul, Lubos, Peter, Markus es all, > tks Paul for the comparison and the grabber - my main indicator for FS > and QRG. > today I put one briquet more on it, means 500Wrms to abt 600Wrms output. > > Im switching to Op-4H now at 1420UTC. > > GL > Uwe/dj8wx > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 04.01.2014 13:20 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hello Uwe, Peter, all! > Well ... It is clear now ... :-) > OK, I hope to see your signal again. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:36:57 +0100 > From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz > > Hi Lubos es all, > nice you shifted your grabber. > yesterday at 1618UTC I switched the TX off and now at 1227UTC the > carrier is on the air agn. > > will Paul Nichelson shift his grabber too? > > OK. Peter, some hours later Ill switch to Op.4H. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 04.01.2014 10:11 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hello Uwe! > I saw your signal on 8270Hz yesterday afternoon. Are you transmitting > now, please? There is a visible signal on 8269.93 on PA1SDB´s grabber, > but it is out of my grabber window (8270 +/- 50mH). Is it your signal > or some QRM? > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:30:43 +0100 > From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 8270Hz > > OK.. OK. dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC. > QRG: 8270.000Hz. > WX: continuous rain but not so strong. > when ever the order comes, I can switch to Op-4H. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 03.01.2014 13:21 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Kopie: paul@abelian.netcom.co.uk > Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8.275 kHz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Paul Nicholson put forth the important argument that we'd better stay > away from 8280 because it's a multiple of 60 Hz. Mains harmonics tend > to drift a bit with the line frequeny so further away is better. > Thus I retract my preposition, and suggest instead to stay with the > original *8270 Hz*. > Uwe, go ahead! > Best 73, > Markus > PS Direct harmonics from 16.67 Hz are relatively weak here, even > though the railway is only 400 m away. It looks more like carriers > from switchmode power conversion units (eg near 8 kHz), > accompanied by the telltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands. Unfortunately > these frequencies are not easily predictable. > > *From:* Paul > *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 PM > *To:* Markus Vester > *Subject:* Re: VLF: 8.275 kHz > > > 8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics of > both 50 and 60Hz. > > 8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz region. > > 8124 to 8126 would be a good range, considering > harmonics of 16.67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz. > > Let me know what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram > over to the new band. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --------------000000010804050208070304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow Uwe

Is it the extra briquet, the new frequency or does your antenna perform better on 8270.00KHz.

Nice signal in 424uHz FFT View and my split frequency Other Test View. http://www.g3zjo.talktalk.net/vlfgrabber.htm subject to noise from rain here today.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

 

On 04/01/2014 14:21, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote:
Hi Paul, Lubos, Peter, Markus es all,
tks Paul for the comparison and the grabber - my main indicator for FS and QRG.
today I put one briquet more on it, means 500Wrms to abt 600Wrms output.

Im switching to Op-4H now at 1420UTC.

GL
Uwe/dj8wx


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 04.01.2014 13:20
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hello Uwe, Peter, all!
Well ... It is clear now ... :-) 
OK, I hope to see your signal again.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:36:57 +0100
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hi Lubos es all,
nice you shifted your grabber.
yesterday at 1618UTC I switched the TX off and now at 1227UTC the carrier is on the air agn.

will Paul Nichelson shift his grabber too?

OK. Peter, some hours later Ill switch to Op.4H.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 04.01.2014 10:11
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hello Uwe!
I saw your signal on 8270Hz yesterday afternoon. Are you transmitting now, please? There is a visible signal on 8269.93 on PA1SDB´s grabber, but it is out of my grabber window (8270 +/- 50mH). Is it your signal or some QRM?

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:30:43 +0100
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 8270Hz

OK.. OK. dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC.
QRG: 8270.000Hz.
WX: continuous rain but not so strong.
when ever the order comes, I can switch to Op-4H.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 03.01.2014 13:21
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Kopie: paul@abelian.netcom.co.uk
Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8.275 kHz

Paul Nicholson put forth the important argument that we'd better stay away from 8280 because it's a multiple of 60 Hz. Mains harmonics tend to drift a bit with the line frequeny so further away is better.
 
Thus I retract my preposition, and suggest instead to stay with the original 8270 Hz.
 
Uwe, go ahead!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
PS Direct harmonics from 16.67 Hz are relatively weak here, even though the railway is only 400 m away. It looks more like carriers from switchmode power conversion units (eg near 8 kHz), accompanied by the telltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands. Unfortunately these frequencies are not easily predictable.
 

From: Paul
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: VLF: 8.275 kHz


8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics of
both 50 and 60Hz.

8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz region.

8124 to 8126 would be a good range, considering
harmonics of 16.67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz.

Let me know what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram
over to the new band.

--
Paul Nicholson
--


This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.





This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.


--------------000000010804050208070304--