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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: My suggestion: Use two outputs from the stereo soundcard: An "amplitude" and a "phase" channel. The output from the phase channel will be a square wave, coherent, constant amplitude, fed to the divider chain. The "amplitude" channel delivers, well, the amplitude (as a waveform with variable voltage) which, after rectification, drives the final voltage via an additional mosfet. I think the software option is already there, and iirc it has been used (by Jim ?) for an LF PA. This way, you could even use amplitude shaping if the bandwidth (from the hard-keyed PA) was a problem - which I don't think it is, on VLF. 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The output from the phase channel will be a square wave, coherent, constant amplitude, fed to the divider chain. The "amplitude" channel delivers, well, the amplitude (as a waveform with variable voltage) which, after rectification, drives the final voltage via an additional mosfet. I think the software option is already there, and iirc it has been used (by Jim ?) for an LF PA. This way, you could even use amplitude shaping if the bandwidth (from the hard-keyed PA) was a problem - which I don't think it is, on VLF. Cheers, Wolf (p.s. problem with the "very long command lines" already fixed, new SL version will be uploaded soon). Am 29.12.2013 02:43, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > > Am 28.12.2013 23:33, schrieb Markus Vester: >> [...] >> PS Any progress on bypassing the divider in your VLF transmit chain? > > Aaah, no, i forgot that. So i cannot transmit OP32 on VLF because it > would be incoherent then. So i have to key the PA via a VOX and OP32 > tones, still :-/ > > In this H bridge PA config, an exact 50% duty cycle isn't needed, so i > may actually remove the divider. But then i need a solid and defined > input signal wave form! How do i get an inverted signal then? A > transformer isn't possible since i like to have a wide frequency range > of the PA. So far it works from 10 Hz to > 100 kHz. With the frequency > divider, the wave form can be quite distorted, no problem unless the > peak reaches the necessary voltage level. So maybe it is better to > build the VOX circuit instead? Also i want to leave the PA circuit as > it is, for nostalgic reasons :-) > Or do you have another idea? I remember that circuit with the XOR gates... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060909050107040605050702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
My suggestion:

Use two outputs from the stereo soundcard:
An "amplitude" and a "phase" channel. The output from the phase channel will be a square wave, coherent, constant amplitude, fed to the divider chain. The "amplitude" channel delivers, well, the amplitude (as a waveform with variable voltage) which, after rectification, drives the final voltage via an additional mosfet. I think the software option is already there, and iirc it has been used (by Jim ?) for an LF PA.
This way, you could even use amplitude shaping if the bandwidth (from the hard-keyed PA) was a problem - which I don't think it is, on VLF.

Cheers,
  Wolf

 (p.s. problem with the "very long command lines" already fixed, new SL version will be uploaded soon).

Am 29.12.2013 02:43, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:

Am 28.12.2013 23:33, schrieb Markus Vester:
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PS Any progress on bypassing the divider in your VLF transmit chain?

Aaah, no, i forgot that. So i cannot transmit OP32 on VLF because it would be incoherent then. So i have to key the PA via a VOX and OP32 tones, still :-/

In this H bridge PA config, an exact 50% duty cycle isn't needed, so i may actually remove the divider. But then i need a solid and defined input signal wave form! How do i get an inverted signal then? A transformer isn't possible since i like to have a wide frequency range of the PA. So far it works from 10 Hz to > 100 kHz. With the frequency divider, the wave form can be quite distorted, no problem unless the peak reaches the necessary voltage level. So maybe it is better to build the VOX circuit instead? Also i want to leave the PA circuit as it is, for nostalgic reasons :-)
Or do you have another idea? I remember that circuit with the XOR gates...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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