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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Roelof, Peter, yes, distant stations JJY and WWVB can indeed be detected between the MSF dashes. Here's an observation from December 2003: http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/MSFgaps/MSFgaps.htm Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.207.164 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 42bbe44aa18353e845a65753486d556c Subject: Re: LF: 68.5KHz - MSF gaps Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CDB2F3.BABBCF80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c95089927b59df X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CDB2F3.BABBCF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roelof, Peter, yes, distant stations JJY and WWVB can indeed be detected between the = MSF dashes. Here's an observation from December 2003: http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/MSFgaps/MSFgaps.htm Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: pws=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:55 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 68.5KHz Hi, Confirmed! BPC is 40 dB above noise at 13 mHz of spectral resolution. 1 Hz sidebands are visible up to the 5th. (2012-10-25 17:30 utc) Roelof wrote: > ... > On an other note, does anybody know if MSF on 60 kHz transmits a = residual > carrier in the pauses between the dashes? > ... In contrast to DCF77 et WWVB, MSF has no residual carrier. > ... > I can see a weak signal there, but not continual. > So it might be JJY on 60 kHz. > ... May be a mix of JJY-60 and WWVB (long path)? Are you observing any 1 Hz sidebands in between? That would be a proof. Peter, df3lp ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CDB2F3.BABBCF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roelof, Peter,
 
yes, distant stations JJY and WWVB can = indeed be=20 detected between the MSF dashes. Here's an observation = from December=20 2003:
http://df6nm.bpl= aced.net/LF/MSFgaps/MSFgaps.htm
 
Best 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)

From: pws
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:55 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: 68.5KHz

Hi,

Confirmed!

BPC is 40 dB = above noise at=20 13 mHz of spectral resolution.
1 Hz sidebands are visible up to the=20 5th.
(2012-10-25 17:30 utc)

Roelof wrote:
> ...
> = On an=20 other note, does anybody know if MSF on 60 kHz transmits a = residual
>=20 carrier in the pauses between the dashes?
 > ...

In = contrast=20 to DCF77 et WWVB, MSF has no residual carrier.

> ...
> I = can see=20 a weak signal there, but not continual.
> So it might be JJY on 60 = kHz.
> ...

May be a mix of JJY-60 and WWVB (long = path)?
Are you=20 observing any 1 Hz sidebands in between?
That would be a = proof.

Peter,=20 df3lp

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