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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Warren, I don't remember exactly in which group it was (possibly the *V*LF group) but there was an interesting topic about how to 'arrange' a given number of ferrite rods... the result was bundling them "in parallel" was much inferior than arranging them "in series" to form a long, but thin rod. This was proven by experiment here, but the 60 cm long ferrite antenna was still inferior to a single-turn air core loop with 60 cm diameter (on VLF). 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This was proven by experiment here, but the 60 cm long ferrite antenna was still inferior to a single-turn air core loop with 60 cm diameter (on VLF). All the best for 2014, Wolf. Am 28.12.2013 17:26, schrieb Warren Ziegler: > Hello the list, > > I have been searching for an article posted a few years ago > concerning receiving loops with a title like "Calibrating Receiving > Loops Using DFC77" - as I recall the main thrust of the article is > that there is an asymptotic limit to the sensitivity of ferriite loops > as you increase the size, and that limit is soon reached. Can anyone > point me to a copy? > (Searching for the article is what prompted me to check the > Yahoo group). > > Many thanks & HNY > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > WG2XRS/1 >