Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.97.135]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-861c4d3222df2cf; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:42:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FC49380000BE; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PeEnx-0005KN-PI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:41:05 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PeEnw-0005KE-V0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:41:04 +0000 Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PeEnv-0000Pj-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:41:04 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2011 22:40:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.239] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2011 22:40:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2011 22:40:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 261368.99199.bm@omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41008 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2011 22:40:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=RtoW7PjA1v/oPcUExZAG9qKQJ2UK6c+tUqZ+Bk5pE2MSHji2/RcFjqhzF/5zqibvZa6NRWlSn/cXilRhNxfi898MBvE9BNu4p2ogqp+npJBVTXvi7PrEBQxT3NmiS2yqGBwqidIR9Z6y32pW692gvtIu6uQaCwAaQTmSAxVGJsw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1295131257; bh=z3vw/Bj5TbKuRNvnELbrHVAqcqA9S/bQp/6HBjbk60g=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=s5eTak0xCzEX7v5zo1lUfIkjzXhbXPvNxYK9cFb1c6YvnV3dz/76vB+wK+RJFLFH0tMuRj7lTnjnYDtIBcK71oyZyUC+0wIMeDN7dcloPnCrr1KHbolKxRPX4es08I87618fgEk8ZTuQ6PvuXhFbIRE9uMF6/dKfRvu65l3hp4s= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.183.216.154 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2011 22:40:54 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: jfXEDtQVM1l_XOd6oehzDpjluzoiJhm8N95c70yLfAx6mUV S5_ui817fzKeQkEgQuCiAqwrw3YxeE71ZCvkVxcnsxyQaqauHHn0TdRlNLlu Udri4Y7FHMr43UyYs29sPn67aO4.QYyZdLf9utJkK.4miAhd.QHWudd83apr P10FHHLJkXtRRRpp_EoEOXInSiVp6oH8UhOVlRMrp__Q5QqoE1skD60UKVSZ gyG10e6F3frqGhoFN1pOePhS9AhLDFDMCa.Vk X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <521F9D653DB54457B0874D0C164638BB@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:40:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18483 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Separate Receiving Antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m231.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874d3222dd0180 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Toni, LF Group, You may find that the big mast works well as a receiving antenna, if it is well seperated from sources of QRM from mains power etc. When using the 100m mast at the Puckeridge ex-Decca Navigator site some years ago, it was an excellent receiving vertical, used with a 40dB attenuator between antenna and RX. The inductance of the antenna loading coil will be much smaller than for amateur-type verticals, making it less effective as a preselector, so additional filtering may be needed at the RX input. Another source of QRM is nearby broadcast or utility transmitters, which can induce rather large voltages and currents in such a big antenna, and may cause overloading of an RX without good preselection. They may also give rise to "rusty bolt" external intermods which cannot be eliminated by the receiver, and the big antenna can pick up local QRM just like any other antenna. Transmitter sites tend to have "industrial" type electrical noise sources. So a small portable RX antenna would be a good precaution, together with a long piece of coax to connect it to the receiver. Good luck with your project - it is always fun for amateurs to try a "real" LF antenna - especially the luxury of seeing the antenna ammeter needle rapidly rising with only a few TX watts! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU