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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roelof, I remember reading about a very similar antenna arrangement early in my career. It was described by the writer (name forgotten) as "one plate of a capacitor - the other plate being the rest of the universe". Somehow that description has stuck in my mind and has served to provide a simple explanation of "small" antennas in general. 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It was described by the writer (name forgotten) as "one plate of a capacitor - the other plate being the rest of the universe". Somehow that description has stuck in my mind and has served to provide a simple explanation of "small" antennas in general. 73 On 04/07/13 13:37, Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello Stefan, > > I have been reading VK1OD's article with great interest. > It is a pity that he has not discussed the antenna with yours truly. > This should have avoided a number of inaccuracies. > > I have had quite a few email exchanges with a number of experts. > Some state that the antenna can't work, others said that it works, but > that I did not understand how it works. > Which was true! > > The antenna has evolved completely by experimental work with the goal > to find an antenna that will work on LF and features immunity to in > house local noise. Which goal has been achieved. > > To understand how it works requires a bit of up side down thinking > (literally!) > The antenna emulates a monopole, however what we consider to be the > antenna element, it is not. > > This applies also to the classic active whip, at least on LW and MW. > In fact, the antenna element should be considered as an artificial > ground and that is the reason that e.g. a 1 meter long whip can be > replaced by a piece of copper clad PCB with about the same capacitance. > > There is no question that this concept works. I received NDB IPA-280 > from Easter Island in the Pacific on it. > And no weak trace screen watching whatsoever, but aural copy of the ID > in morse code. > > It should be nice if all members of the amateur community were well > off and could afford unlimited real estate. > In that case we all should be using beverage farms for reception and > spending a bit more time in the great outdoors to keep things up and > running. > > However the vast majority will have to cope with limited resources, > being lack of real estate, lack of finances or both. This is where a > bit of ingenuity comes into play and the fun starts. > > It is truly amazing what ideas have been put to work to overcome > unsurmountable limitations. One excellent example is the ongoing > development of weak signal software, which has made LF work possible > for many more people than just the happy few! > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt >