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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'm glad you've just popped up on this xtal topic Alan. I was just going to recommend that you be contacted as a probable Guru. 73 On 11/04/13 20:26, Alan Melia wrote: > Interesting Pete I didnt get two that time. I had it happen the other > day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids doing holiday > projects) but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive messages but > got an error on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it > again......and got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server > didnt ack the receipt the first time although it did receive the messages. > That's more like BOGOHP :-)) > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz > > Pat there's something up with your e-mail because it keeps sending > the same thing twice? i.e. two e-mails for the price of one. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > *From:* pat > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Cc:* M0FMT > > *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 18:53 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 > 236.75 KHz > > Well, you might have been happy, Pete. I discovered that the > family cat's whiskers wouldn't work with a bit of coke and we > had to go back to a pair of baked bean cans and string! > > > > > On 11/04/13 16:20, M0FMT wrote: >> And we all live in a hole in the road but we were happy!!.....:0) >> >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> >> *From:* pat mailto:g4gvw@aol.com >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Cc:* M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk >> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06 >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range >> 236.25 236.75 KHz >> >> And Wireless Set No.17 for £2:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and >> HT Battery 10/- extra) >> >> And we're all getting older! >> >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote: >>> Hi Graham [...] Content analysis details: (-0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.78.142 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -2.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4c9ba4171a9ccaf714129bb687b82759 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050606080902060701070208" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad051671a8c02ed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050606080902060701070208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad you've just popped up on this xtal topic Alan. I was just going=20 to recommend that you be contacted as a probable Guru. 73 On 11/04/13 20:26, Alan Melia wrote: > Interesting Pete I didnt get two that time. I had it happen the other=20 > day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids doing holiday=20 > projects) but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive messages but=20 > got an error on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it=20 > again......and got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server=20 > didnt ack the receipt the first time although it did receive the messag= es. > That's more like BOGOHP :-)) > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 K= Hz > > Pat there's something up with your e-mail because it keeps sending > the same thing twice? i.e. two e-mails for the price of one. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > *From:* pat > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Cc:* M0FMT > > *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 18:53 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 > 236.75 KHz > > Well, you might have been happy, Pete. I discovered that the > family cat's whiskers wouldn't work with a bit of coke and we > had to go back to a pair of baked bean cans and string! > > > > > On 11/04/13 16:20, M0FMT wrote: >> And we all live in a hole in the road but we were happy!!.....= :0) >> >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> >> *From:* pat mailto:g4gvw@aol.com >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Cc:* M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk >> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06 >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range >> 236.25 236.75 KHz >> >> And Wireless Set No.17 for =A32:19:6 (2Volt accumulator an= d >> HT Battery 10/- extra) >> >> And we're all getting older! >> >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote: >>> Hi Graham >>> How young you are my introduction to Tottenham Court >>> Road (Proops?) , Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring >>> Cross and The Edgeware Road about 1956. Aaaaah those >>> were the days. learnt a lot about Radio, Life, the >>> Universe and everything there...... hee! >>> Got my R107 from Lisle Street with money save from my >>> apprentices pay. Carried it (abt 1 CWT) via bus to >>> Kings Cross in the days when the conductor would jump >>> off the bus and give you had to get it on board........ >>> imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" today. See >>> http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html for the >>> full story. >>> OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really can't >>> get too excited about sterile data although as you know >>> I do partake occasionally. >>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >>> >>> *From:* Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:52 >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range >>> 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> R Pete >>> Well , its possible to use the emergency vfo , but >>> that results in a very unstable signal , I >>> remember down the Tottenham court road , there=20 >>> where tea chests of crystals , but that was 1970 .. >>> seems a lot of the traditional firms have closed , >>> One of the =A35 dds with a driver would work , >>> but they want to keep it standard >>> DS - That's really the 'correct' situation , that=20 >>> -33 db decode, -3 db lower than normal was a good >>> indication that the system is working , over >>> ranging the a/d is the only problem . I think >>> dynamic range is 60 d b after processing , is >>> it 3 db per bit ? 8 bits , 24 db + 3 that's >>> 27 dB ? 500:1 ? , but by removing qty 2 mixers =20 >>> and 2 oscillators , [ may be 3 oscillators 1 , >>> hf-up-conv 2 , pll conv osc 3 ref osc ) that is >>> a lot of noise + jitter removed from the signal >>> path as well as imd from 2 mixers , I found a >>> attenuator helped for mw and I have a mw-filter=20 >>> , which cleaned up sw bands ...... nice to have >>> a panoramic display , 2 mhz this time , the ra17 >>> was 1 mhz and 28 valves + 20 ish > in the radio >>> 73-G. >>> >>> *From:* M0FMT >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:47 AM >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range >>> 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> OK Graham >>> Thought it was home brew retro.......... I am in >>> that mode and think everbody else is! What do you do >>> at the moment inject a Sig Genny? >>> Have you checked the net or checked out Vincent - >>> QuartzLab etc? >>> Anyway what's that master osc circuit. I build from >>> old RADCOM (pre 1975 when they published real >>> amateur radio) and PW,QST etal. I use modern xtals >>> with no known issues. Well trying to get third >>> overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue with me at >>> the moment. >>> OK yes got a stick on its way didn't want to tear up >>> my existing upconverter design. But not sure there >>> is much wrong with the UC approach it works for me. >>> But want to try the direct approach. Do you get much >>> Cross mod and IM products? >>> >>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >>> >>> *From:* Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 0:47 >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS >>> Range 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> Ok Pete >>> Q where to have them made ? >>> The set , Marconi Ocean span 1950's valve tx=20 >>> needs the big rock's as the oscillator >>> pass's quite a lot of power via them >>> ...hc6u are no good , drive level is very low >>> - the ones fitted are the wired- gold flashed >>> ones , so cannot etch into the band ... >>> the gang want to keep it standard >>> 73 -G. >>> Ps waiting for qty-3 =A36 dongles : ) >>> >>> *From:* M0FMT >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:43 PM >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS >>> Range 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> Hi >>> If you want to spend a small fortune get them >>> cut. However build a Mixer VXO from El cheapo >>> standard xtals and or old PMR rocks. Then at >>> your next rally buy a couple of Screw together >>> 10xj or FT243 rocks of any frequency and put the >>> El-cheapo xtals inside. And Hey Presto you have >>> Retro rocks. >>> I have a small all valve 472 tx that uses 6.00 >>> -6.472=3D0.472 vxo-able a couple of kc/s >>> 12ax7-6am6-6cl6=3D 4wattso/p. Local QRP rig. >>> Hope this helps >>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >>> >>> *From:* Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 20:30 >>> *Subject:* LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS >>> Range 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 >>> 236.75 KHz >>> Q Is there any manufacture of crystals >>> in this range ? >>> Or Surplus items available >>> QTY 1 or 2 off >>> TNX- Graham >>> G0NBD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --=20 >> 73 de pat g4gvw >> es gd dx >> qth nr Felixstowe >> East Coast UK >> >> >> > > > --=20 > 73 de pat g4gvw > es gd dx > qth nr Felixstowe > East Coast UK > > > --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK --------------050606080902060701070208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm glad you've just popped up on this xtal topic Alan. I was just going to recommend that you be contacted as a probable Guru.

73


On 11/04/13 20:26, Alan Melia wrote:
Interesting Pete I didnt get two that time. I had it happen the other day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids doing holiday projects) but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive messages but got an error on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it again......and got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server didnt ack the receipt the first time although it did receive the messages.
That's more like BOGOHP  :-))
Alan 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Pat there's something up with your e-mail because it keeps sending the same thing twice? i.e. two e-mails for the price of one.
 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pat <g4gvw@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 18:53
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Well, you might have been happy, Pete. I discovered that the family cat's whiskers wouldn't work with a bit of coke and we had to go back to a pair of baked bean cans and string!




On 11/04/13 16:20, M0FMT wrote:
And we all live in a hole in the road but we were happy!!.....:0)

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pat mailto:g4gvw@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

And Wireless Set No.17 for £2:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and HT Battery 10/- extra)

And we're all getting older!

73




On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote:
Hi Graham
 
How young you are my introduction to Tottenham Court Road (Proops?) , Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross  and The Edgeware Road  about 1956. Aaaaah those were the days. learnt a lot about Radio, Life, the Universe and everything there...... hee!
Got my R107 from Lisle Street with money save from my apprentices pay. Carried it  (abt 1 CWT) via bus to Kings Cross in the days when the conductor would jump off the bus and give you had to get it on board........ imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" today. See http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html for the full story.
 
OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really can't get too excited about sterile data although as you know I do partake occasionally.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:52
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

R Pete
 
Well , its possible to  use the  emergency  vfo  , but that  results  in a very  unstable  signal , I   remember  down the  Tottenham court road , there  where  tea chests of  crystals , but that  was  1970 .. seems  a  lot  of the  traditional  firms have  closed ,
 
One  of the  £5  dds  with  a driver  would  work , but  they  want to  keep  it  standard
 
DS -   That's really  the  'correct'  situation  ,  that  -33 db decode, -3 db  lower than  normal  was  a  good  indication   that  the  system  is  working ,   over ranging  the  a/d  is the  only  problem . I think  dynamic  range is  60 d b after  processing  , is it   3 db per  bit  ?  8 bits  , 24  db + 3   that's   27 dB ?  500:1 ?   , but   by  removing    qty  2  mixers   and  2  oscillators   , [ may  be 3  oscillators  1 , hf-up-conv  2 , pll  conv osc  3  ref osc )  that  is a  lot  of  noise + jitter  removed  from the  signal  path as well  as   imd  from  2  mixers , I found  a attenuator  helped  for  mw  and  I have  a  mw-filter  , which  cleaned  up  sw  bands  ......  nice to  have a  panoramic  display , 2  mhz this time , the  ra17  was 1 mhz  and   28  valves + 20 ish  > in the  radio   
 
73-G.
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

OK Graham
 
Thought it was home brew retro.......... I am in that mode and think everbody else is! What do you do at the moment inject a Sig Genny?
 
Have you checked the net or checked out Vincent - QuartzLab etc?
 
Anyway what's that master osc circuit. I build from old RADCOM (pre 1975 when they published real amateur radio) and PW,QST etal. I use modern xtals with no known issues. Well trying to get third overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue with me at the moment. 
 
OK yes got a stick on its way didn't want to tear up my existing upconverter design. But not sure there is much wrong with the UC approach it works for me. But want to try the direct approach. Do you get much Cross mod and IM products?

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 0:47
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Ok Pete
 
Q where to  have  them  made  ?
 
The  set  , Marconi  Ocean span 1950's  valve  tx   needs  the  big  rock's  as the  oscillator  pass's   quite a  lot  of  power  via them ...hc6u  are  no  good  , drive level is very low - the ones fitted  are the wired- gold  flashed  ones  , so  cannot  etch  into the  band ...
 
the  gang  want  to  keep  it  standard
 
73 -G.
 
Ps  waiting  for  qty-3  £6   dongles : )

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Hi
 
If you want to spend a small fortune get them cut. However build a Mixer VXO from El cheapo standard xtals and or old PMR rocks. Then at your next rally buy a couple of Screw together 10xj or FT243 rocks of any frequency and put the El-cheapo xtals inside. And Hey Presto you have Retro rocks.
I have a small all valve 472 tx that uses 6.00 -6.472=0.472 vxo-able a couple of kc/s 12ax7-6am6-6cl6= 4wattso/p. Local QRP rig.
Hope this helps
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 20:30
Subject: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Wanted  10XJ  or  FT243  XTALS   Range   236.25    236.75  KHz   
 
Q  Is there  any  manufacture  of   crystals  in this  range  ?
 
Or  Surplus    items   available 
 
QTY 1  or  2  off 
 
TNX- Graham
 
G0NBD








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