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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Eddie, thank you for your interest to WSPR-15. I have no direct comparison between WSPR-!5 to WSPR-2. But DK6NI was transmitting WSPR-2 to the same time I was transmitting WSPR-15. He is located 11km from my position. We both had been received by the same reporters to the same time. So I could compare the reported SNR value off my WSPR-15 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting and my WSPR-2 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting. The difference had be about the same. Therefore, I assume SNR values are comparable between WSPR-15 to WSPR-12. The advantage of WSPR-15 is that WSPR-15 can be received till SNR 39 and WSPR-2 just to SNR 30. 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I have no direct comparison between WSPR-!5 to WSPR-2. But DK6NI was transmitting WSPR-2 to the same time I was transmitting WSPR-15. He is located 11km from my position. We both had been received by the same reporters to the same time. So I could compare the reported SNR value off my WSPR-15 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting and my WSPR-2 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting. The difference had be about the same. Therefore, I assume SNR values are comparable between WSPR-15 to WSPR-12. The advantage of WSPR-15 is that WSPR-15 can be received till SNR 39 and WSPR-2 just to SNR 30. We should have more wspr-15 transmitting stations! Perhaps, I will be on the air with WSPR-15 the next week. Afterwards I am at Australia for holidays. 73 Roland DL3NDR Am 24.02.2013 10:24, schrieb g3zjo: > Hello Roland / LF > > My reply last night was late and rather hurried. > > I meant also to say Congratulations on the TF3HZ report. Given higher > TX power levels TF does seem to be one path that has performed for > WSPR15. It would be most interesting to see tests with WSPR2 an 15 set > up at both TX and RX. > > Congratulations also go to G6AVK who broke the 2000Km barrier last night. > *2013-02-23 22:40 G6AVK 0.475763 -28 0 JO01ho > +0 0.001 OH8/OH6JKN KP24tl 2028 1260 > > *We see from the frequency that this was with WSPR2. Colin was also > running WSPR15 but RX stations are few. > Using low power levels (Colin's stated power on WSPR is just an > arbitrary figure at this time) there has still been no advantage > apparent by running WSPR2. > > Lots of testing to be done, unfortunately my QRP, KISS station is not > capable of the required stability, so I still ask the question, is > there an advantage in using WSPR15 over using WSPR2 on 630m. > > > 73 > Eddie G3ZJO > > On 23/02/2013 20:17, Roland Bruestle wrote: >> Hallo, MW-friends, >> I am transmitting WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX 475.818 kHz (1.68kHz). >> This is for a while my last transmission with WSPR-15 on 600m. >> >> During the last 14 days I was received by following reporters: >> >> Spot Database >> >> 40 spots: >> >> Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az >> 2013-02-18 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475820 -28 0 JN59no 0.5 >> TF3HZ HP94ad 2531 322 >> 2013-02-22 04:46 DL3NDR 0.475818 -31 0 JN59no 0.5 >> LB9YE JP54pu 1696 0 >> 2013-02-17 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475818 -33 1 JN59no 0.5 >> LA6TPA JP54rl 1654 1 >> 2013-02-12 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475820 -34 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> R3LW KO54mq 1465 60 >> 2013-02-10 21:46 DL3NDR 0.475815 -25 0 JN59no 0.5 >> LA3JJ JO59bh 1081 357 >> 2013-02-18 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475820 -20 0 JN59no 0.5 >> GW0EZY IO82ho 1064 294 >> 2013-02-18 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475818 -35 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G0MJI IO83ni 1053 299 >> 2013-02-17 22:46 DL3NDR 0.475818 -8 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G8HUH IO81mg 1013 286 >> 2013-02-17 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475817 -32 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> UW8SM_SWL KN28iv 988 89 >> 2013-02-16 20:46 DL3NDR 0.475811 -21 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G4JVF IO93if 949 300 >> 2013-02-17 20:16 DL3NDR 0.475819 -27 0 JN59no 0.5 >> M0EYT IO80xs 945 283 >> 2013-02-20 22:46 DL3NDR 0.475820 -13 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G3ZJO IO92ng 890 294 >> 2013-02-18 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475820 -17 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G0MQW IO91ml 878 288 >> 2013-02-19 05:00 DL3NDR 0.475818 -36 -2 JN59no 0.5 >> G4CAO IO91si 841 288 >> 2013-02-22 03:30 DL3NDR 0.475820 -29 0 JN59no 0.5 >> M0BMU IO91vr 832 291 >> 2013-02-19 05:00 DL3NDR 0.475821 -17 -2 JN59no 0.5 >> G4KPX JO02dj 818 296 >> 2013-02-09 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475817 -14 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G8OCV JO01cn 800 290 >> 2013-02-15 20:46 DL3NDR 0.475821 -13 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G6AVK-W15 JO01ho 773 291 >> 2013-02-15 23:46 DL3NDR 0.475817 -17 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G6AVK-15 JO01ho 773 291 >> 2013-02-12 22:30 DL3NDR 0.475817 -9 0 JN59no 0.5 >> G6AVK JO01ho 773 291 >> 2013-02-17 22:00 DL3NDR 0.475817 -16 0 JN59no 0.5 >> F59706 JN07th 745 254 >> 2013-02-12 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475817 -13 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> IK1WVQ JN44cb 655 201 >> 2013-02-10 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475815 -22 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> F5WK-W15 JN18hp 627 263 >> 2013-02-12 22:30 DL3NDR 0.475817 -18 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> F6CNI\W15 JN19qb 565 267 >> 2013-02-22 03:30 DL3NDR 0.475820 -12 0 JN59no 0.5 >> F6CNI-W15 JN19qb 565 267 >> 2013-02-16 17:46 DL3NDR 0.475818 -19 0 JN59no 0.5 >> F6CNI\15 JN19qb 565 267 >> 2013-02-17 15:46 DL3NDR 0.475818 -38 0 JN59no 0.5 >> F6CNI-BEV JN19qb 565 267 >> 2013-02-10 21:46 DL3NDR 0.475817 -21 1 JN59no 0.5 >> DF2FF JO44th 534 349 >> 2013-02-09 20:16 DL3NDR 0.475815 -16 0 JN59no 0.5 >> PA3ABK\W15 JO21it 514 301 >> 2013-02-10 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475815 -18 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> PA3ABK-15 JO21it 514 301 >> 2013-02-22 21:46 DL3NDR 0.475820 -8 0 JN59no 0.5 >> PA3FNY JO22nc 504 306 >> 2013-02-16 08:30 DL3NDR 0.475818 -37 0 JN59no 0.5 >> PA3FNYW15 JO22nc 504 306 >> 2013-02-18 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475818 -31 0 JN59no 0.5 >> IW3SGT JN65vp 483 155 >> 2013-02-09 21:46 DL3NDR 0.475809 -10 0 JN59no 0.5 >> DG3LV JO53gv 479 355 >> 2013-02-10 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475816 -17 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> S57MK JN75cw 468 149 >> 2013-02-10 21:16 DL3NDR 0.475815 -26 0 JN59no 0.5 >> DL-SWL JO52hp 340 354 >> 2013-02-10 23:16 DL3NDR 0.475816 -7 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> DD7PC JN49ax 225 282 >> 2013-02-12 19:00 DL3NDR 0.475817 -31 0 JN59no 0.5 >> DJ7KA JO61pb 223 43 >> 2013-02-19 21:00 DL3NDR 0.475822 -9 -1 JN59no 0.5 >> DF8UO JN48ex 211 252 >> 2013-02-16 23:30 DL3NDR 0.475818 +4 0 JN59no 0.5 >> DJ6LB JN59mm 11 213 >> >> >> >> I say thank you to all this Reporters. It was a very nice experience. >> WSPR-15 proved to the better WSPR for far distances. >> >> I hoped that there would be more transmitting stations with WSPR-15. >> As I know, I was the only one. >> >> At the End hat been me with 3 to 6 reporters. Thank you to this OMs. >> >> Good luck and success with our hobby. >> >> 73 >> Roland DL3NDR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Good luck. >> >> 73 >> Roland DL3NDR > --------------050201000808020400030600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Eddie,
thank you for your interest to WSPR-15.
I have no direct comparison between WSPR-!5 to WSPR-2.
But DK6NI was transmitting WSPR-2 to the same time I was transmitting WSPR-15.
He is located 11km from my position. We both had been received by the same reporters to the same time.
So I could compare  the reported SNR value off my  WSPR-15 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting and
my  WSPR-2 transmitting to his WSPR-2 transmitting. The difference had be about the same.
Therefore, I assume SNR values are comparable between WSPR-15 to WSPR-12.
The advantage of WSPR-15 is that WSPR-15 can be received till SNR 39 and WSPR-2 just to SNR 30.

We should have more wspr-15 transmitting stations!

Perhaps, I will  be on the air with WSPR-15 the next week.
Afterwards I am at Australia for holidays.

73
Roland DL3NDR



Am 24.02.2013 10:24, schrieb g3zjo:
Hello Roland / LF

My reply last night was late and rather hurried.

I meant also to say Congratulations on the TF3HZ report. Given higher TX power levels TF does seem to be one path that has performed for WSPR15. It would be most interesting to see tests with WSPR2 an 15 set up at both TX and RX.

Congratulations also go to G6AVK who broke the 2000Km barrier last night.
2013-02-23 22:40      G6AVK      0.475763      -28      0      JO01ho      +0      0.001      OH8/OH6JKN      KP24tl      2028      1260

We see from the frequency that this was with WSPR2. Colin was also running WSPR15 but RX stations are few.
Using low power levels (Colin's stated power on WSPR is just an arbitrary figure at this time) there has still been no advantage apparent by running WSPR2.

Lots of testing to be done, unfortunately my QRP, KISS station is not capable of the required stability, so I still ask the question, is there an advantage in using WSPR15 over using WSPR2 on 630m.


73
Eddie G3ZJO

On 23/02/2013 20:17, Roland Bruestle wrote:
Hallo, MW-friends,
I am transmitting WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX 475.818  kHz (1.68kHz).
This is for a while my last transmission with WSPR-15 on 600m.

During the last 14 days I was received by following reporters:

Spot Database

40 spots:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2013-02-18 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475820   -28   0   JN59no   0.5   TF3HZ   HP94ad   2531   322 
 2013-02-22 04:46   DL3NDR   0.475818   -31   0   JN59no   0.5   LB9YE   JP54pu   1696   0 
 2013-02-17 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475818   -33   1   JN59no   0.5   LA6TPA   JP54rl   1654   1 
 2013-02-12 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475820   -34   -1   JN59no   0.5   R3LW   KO54mq   1465   60 
 2013-02-10 21:46   DL3NDR   0.475815   -25   0   JN59no   0.5   LA3JJ   JO59bh   1081   357 
 2013-02-18 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475820   -20   0   JN59no   0.5   GW0EZY   IO82ho   1064   294 
 2013-02-18 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475818   -35   0   JN59no   0.5   G0MJI   IO83ni   1053   299 
 2013-02-17 22:46   DL3NDR   0.475818   -8   0   JN59no   0.5   G8HUH   IO81mg   1013   286 
 2013-02-17 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475817   -32   -1   JN59no   0.5   UW8SM_SWL   KN28iv   988   89 
 2013-02-16 20:46   DL3NDR   0.475811   -21   0   JN59no   0.5   G4JVF   IO93if   949   300 
 2013-02-17 20:16   DL3NDR   0.475819   -27   0   JN59no   0.5   M0EYT   IO80xs   945   283 
 2013-02-20 22:46   DL3NDR   0.475820   -13   0   JN59no   0.5   G3ZJO   IO92ng   890   294 
 2013-02-18 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475820   -17   0   JN59no   0.5   G0MQW   IO91ml   878   288 
 2013-02-19 05:00   DL3NDR   0.475818   -36   -2   JN59no   0.5   G4CAO   IO91si   841   288 
 2013-02-22 03:30   DL3NDR   0.475820   -29   0   JN59no   0.5   M0BMU   IO91vr   832   291 
 2013-02-19 05:00   DL3NDR   0.475821   -17   -2   JN59no   0.5   G4KPX   JO02dj   818   296 
 2013-02-09 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475817   -14   0   JN59no   0.5   G8OCV   JO01cn   800   290 
 2013-02-15 20:46   DL3NDR   0.475821   -13   0   JN59no   0.5   G6AVK-W15   JO01ho   773   291 
 2013-02-15 23:46   DL3NDR   0.475817   -17   0   JN59no   0.5   G6AVK-15   JO01ho   773   291 
 2013-02-12 22:30   DL3NDR   0.475817   -9   0   JN59no   0.5   G6AVK   JO01ho   773   291 
 2013-02-17 22:00   DL3NDR   0.475817   -16   0   JN59no   0.5   F59706   JN07th   745   254 
 2013-02-12 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475817   -13   -1   JN59no   0.5   IK1WVQ   JN44cb   655   201 
 2013-02-10 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475815   -22   -1   JN59no   0.5   F5WK-W15   JN18hp   627   263 
 2013-02-12 22:30   DL3NDR   0.475817   -18   -1   JN59no   0.5   F6CNI\W15   JN19qb   565   267 
 2013-02-22 03:30   DL3NDR   0.475820   -12   0   JN59no   0.5   F6CNI-W15   JN19qb   565   267 
 2013-02-16 17:46   DL3NDR   0.475818   -19   0   JN59no   0.5   F6CNI\15   JN19qb   565   267 
 2013-02-17 15:46   DL3NDR   0.475818   -38   0   JN59no   0.5   F6CNI-BEV   JN19qb   565   267 
 2013-02-10 21:46   DL3NDR   0.475817   -21   1   JN59no   0.5   DF2FF   JO44th   534   349 
 2013-02-09 20:16   DL3NDR   0.475815   -16   0   JN59no   0.5   PA3ABK\W15   JO21it   514   301 
 2013-02-10 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475815   -18   -1   JN59no   0.5   PA3ABK-15   JO21it   514   301 
 2013-02-22 21:46   DL3NDR   0.475820   -8   0   JN59no   0.5   PA3FNY   JO22nc   504   306 
 2013-02-16 08:30   DL3NDR   0.475818   -37   0   JN59no   0.5   PA3FNYW15   JO22nc   504   306 
 2013-02-18 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475818   -31   0   JN59no   0.5   IW3SGT   JN65vp   483   155 
 2013-02-09 21:46   DL3NDR   0.475809   -10   0   JN59no   0.5   DG3LV   JO53gv   479   355 
 2013-02-10 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475816   -17   -1   JN59no   0.5   S57MK   JN75cw   468   149 
 2013-02-10 21:16   DL3NDR   0.475815   -26   0   JN59no   0.5   DL-SWL   JO52hp   340   354 
 2013-02-10 23:16   DL3NDR   0.475816   -7   -1   JN59no   0.5   DD7PC   JN49ax   225   282 
 2013-02-12 19:00   DL3NDR   0.475817   -31   0   JN59no   0.5   DJ7KA   JO61pb   223   43 
 2013-02-19 21:00   DL3NDR   0.475822   -9   -1   JN59no   0.5   DF8UO   JN48ex   211   252 
 2013-02-16 23:30   DL3NDR   0.475818   +4   0   JN59no   0.5   DJ6LB   JN59mm   11   213 


I say thank you to all this Reporters. It was a very nice experience.
WSPR-15 proved to the better WSPR for far distances.

I hoped that  there would be more transmitting stations with WSPR-15. As I know, I  was the only one.

At the End hat been me with 3 to 6 reporters. Thank you to this OMs.

Good luck and success with our hobby.

73
Roland DL3NDR




























































Good luck.

73
Roland DL3NDR


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