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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Colin We don't know each other but I'm very sad to hear that you feel the need to go QRT especially due to anonymous twonks. I'd ignore them and don't give them the satisfaction of influencing YOUR activities. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.53 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (james.cowburn[at]virgin.net) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER Message-Id was added by a relay X-Scan-Signature: 96b8f85c5d115ca27bd607cc73163269 Subject: RE: Re[5]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D7_01CDEA8A.1EC16670" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605750e6f0247965 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D7_01CDEA8A.1EC16670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Colin We don't know each other but I'm very sad to hear that you feel the need to go QRT especially due to anonymous twonks. I'd ignore them and don't give them the satisfaction of influencing YOUR activities. As regards difficulty, my garden is smallish and I have a notoriously compromise antenna system slung up in a silver birch tree much to the horror of G3XIZ and M0BMU who have both wisely counselled me on the idea of moving it to a tree free support. I use an old Icom 735 HF TX as my transmitter and it puts out a good 25 watts on 500 and 470, though the PBF needs bypassing and a homebrew 7 pole one inserting otherwise it will end up like my first IC735 as a RX only!! (The smoked filter board and PA are still on my repair shelf!) I started out on 500 in 2009 with a NOV and love tinkering on MF. It's taught me to send CW on an old hand key and my receiving is getting better tho still very QRSS!! Nonsense emails from anonymous bullies is no reason to give up and the technical issues and their resolution is all part of the fun down here. Besides, in the spring G3XIZ and I are going to finally fire up my old Decca (ex G3AQC) and you don't want to miss that for the world! So, please reconsider and join G3XIZ, M0JXM, M0FMT, G3DXZ and even the venerable Mal on the Sunday morning CW chat net (I cheat with my laptop and DM780 programme! Lol). There's hours of fun to be had on WSPR (when you can get it working that is, I upgraded my laptop to W7 (yes daft I know) and since then its been a chaos of ports and disconnects but I will overcome and get it stable (wine helps!) G3XIZ and I natter on RTTY across the mighty dx of some 3 miles and again much enjoyment is to be had. Stay with us Colin and enjoy the bands. Besides with a callsign like yours M5FRA its made for MF, "Makes 5(00) Fun Radio Activity"! (ok so I wont win prizes at "Backronym of the year"! ) :-) Best 73s Jim G7NKS Dr. Jim Cowburn IO92ub _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M5FRA - Colin Sent: 04 January 2013 11:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re[5]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Roger, thank you for your support. I must admit to being very disillusioned with the response I have received and do not like the abusive direct emails from anonymous senders. I decided today to give up ion MF as it should be fun rather than conflict. I know I should have known better and could have phrased my emails better but I always had a smile on my face which is hard to convey electronically. MF is difficult here as my antenna is in the neighbours garden, they happen to be the in laws! They have also reported Morse code coming over their wireless! They are very good about it all but I do not want to push it too much. I have an antenna down lead switch box (vacuum relay) and an coax switch that needs to be installed yet that means a small shed/box in their flower bed. So, all in all may ditch the experiment and return to HF QRP. Colin - M5FRA m5fra.org.uk ------ Original Message ------ From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: 04/01/2013 11:32:53 Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? A well reasoned email Colin. Although SSB is technically feasible it should not be encouraged. BTW, I tend to agree that WSPR is oddly positioned in the new band and personally am in favour of a "light touch" bandplan if only to encourage folks to congregate in the right watering holes. Very encouraged by results so far with my minimal system. Had a nice CW QSO with G3XIZ last night on CW who answered my CQ call. 73s Roger G3XBM On 4 Jan 2013, at 11:07, "M5FRA - Colin" < m5fra@btinternet.com> wrote: I am sorry but I did not express myself very clearly in the last couple of posts and there were lots of typos. I will attempt to explain why I am opposed to digital voice/SSB on 630m. The main reason is that although it is technically possible it is impractical as it will take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth which will effectively deny other people the space to operate. The idea that it could be daylight hours only, VOX only etc etc as a gentlemen's agreement is wildly optimistic in light of the abuse of the other gentlemen's agreements called bandplans. I also feel strongly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not a right. I know for sure that there is a lot of abuse of license conditions and have heard ops openly admit to running 1kw+ in order to work DX or to 'level the playing field' in contests. That sort of abuse will only do us harm and although some argue that Ofcom are not interested in such things let me assure you that they are. The new 630m band is allocated on a secondary basis to aeronautical mobile users. There are still NDBs within the band and some countries impose restriction or deny access to 630m altogether because of the shared use. It will only take somebody to either accidentally or deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user for us to lose the band or face more restrictions. I can see the headlines now! Finally, and I will not post here again on this subject, I am not anti SSB, anti contests, anti much else, but do believe we need a responsible attitude to how we use the bands. We should not be constantly pushing for change to suit our own interests or deliberately flouting the law, in the long term that will only lead to loss of privilege not more access. And to answer an aggressive direct email which suggested I **** off and play somewhere else, yes I do operate digital modes and have done for 40+ years starting with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, CW, QRP and QRO and even microwaves. Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA m5fra.org.uk No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6005 - Release Date: 01/02/13 ------=_NextPart_000_02D7_01CDEA8A.1EC16670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Colin

 

We don’t know each other but = I’m very sad to hear that you feel the need to go QRT especially due to = anonymous twonks.  I’d ignore them and don’t give them the = satisfaction of influencing YOUR activities. 

 

As regards difficulty, my garden is smallish and I have a notoriously compromise antenna system slung up in = a silver birch tree much to the horror of G3XIZ and M0BMU who have both = wisely counselled me on the idea of moving it to a tree free support.  I = use an old Icom 735 HF TX as my transmitter and it puts out a good 25 watts on = 500 and 470, though the PBF needs bypassing and a homebrew 7 pole one inserting otherwise it will end up like my first IC735 as a RX only!!  (The = smoked filter board and PA are still on my repair = shelf!)

 

I started out on 500 in 2009 with a = NOV and love tinkering on MF.  It’s taught me to send CW on an = old hand key and my receiving is getting better tho still very QRSS!! =

 

Nonsense emails from anonymous = bullies is no reason to give up and the technical issues and their resolution is = all part of the fun down here.  Besides, in the spring G3XIZ and I are going = to finally fire up my old Decca (ex G3AQC) and you don’t want to miss = that for the world!

 

So, please reconsider and join = G3XIZ, M0JXM, M0FMT, G3DXZ and even the venerable Mal on the Sunday morning CW = chat net (I cheat with my laptop and DM780 programme! Lol).   =

 

There’s hours of fun to be = had on WSPR (when you can get it working that is, I upgraded my laptop to W7 = (yes daft I know) and since then its been a chaos of ports and disconnects but I = will overcome and get it stable (wine helps!)

 

G3XIZ and I natter on RTTY across = the mighty dx of some 3 miles and again much enjoyment is to be had. =

 

Stay with us Colin and enjoy the bands.   Besides with a callsign like yours M5FRA its made for = MF, “Makes 5(00) Fun Radio Activity”!   (ok so I wont win prizes at = “Backronym of the year”!  )     J

 

Best = 73s

 

 

Jim   = G7NKS

 

 

Dr. Jim = Cowburn

IO92ub

 

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M5FRA - = Colin
Sent: 04 January 2013 = 11:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re[5]: LF: 477 A = local SSB chat band ?

 

Roger,

 

thank you = for your support. I must admit to being very disillusioned with the response I = have received and do not like the abusive direct emails from anonymous = senders. I decided today to give up ion MF as it should be fun rather than = conflict. I know I should have known better and could have phrased my emails better = but I always had a smile on my face which is hard to convey electronically. =

 

MF is = difficult here as my antenna is in the neighbours garden, they happen to be the in = laws! They have also reported Morse code coming over their wireless! They are = very good about it all but I do not want to push it too much. I have an = antenna down lead switch box (vacuum relay) and an coax switch that needs to be = installed yet that means a small shed/box in their flower bed. So, all in all may = ditch the experiment and return to HF QRP.

 

 

Colin - M5FRA

 

 


------ Original Message ------
From: "Roger Lapthorn" <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 04/01/2013 11:32:53
Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?

A well = reasoned email Colin. Although SSB is technically feasible it should not be encouraged. 

 

BTW, I = tend to agree that WSPR is oddly positioned in the new band and personally am in = favour of a "light touch" bandplan if only to encourage folks to = congregate in the right watering holes. 

 

Very = encouraged by results so far with my minimal system. Had a nice CW QSO with G3XIZ last = night on CW who answered my CQ call. 

 

73s

Roger G3XBM 

On 4 Jan 2013, at 11:07, "M5FRA - Colin" <m5fra@btinternet.com> wrote:

I am sorry but I did not express myself very = clearly in the last couple of posts and there were lots of typos. I will attempt to explain why I am opposed to digital voice/SSB on = 630m.

 

The main reason is that although it is technically possible it is impractical as it will take up a disproportionate amount = of bandwidth which will effectively deny other people the space to = operate.

 

The idea that it could be daylight hours only, VOX = only etc etc as a gentlemen’s agreement is wildly optimistic in = light of the abuse of the other gentlemen’s agreements called bandplans. =

 

I also feel strongly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not a right. I know for sure that there is a lot of abuse = of license conditions and have heard ops openly admit to running 1kw+ in = order to work DX or to ‘level the playing field’ in contests. That = sort of abuse will only do us harm and although some argue that Ofcom are not interested in such things let me assure you that they are. =

 

The new 630m band is allocated on a secondary basis = to aeronautical mobile users. There are still NDBs within the band and some countries impose restriction or deny access to 630m altogether because = of the shared use. It will only take somebody to either accidentally or = deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user for us to lose the band or face more = restrictions. I can see the headlines now!

 

Finally, and I will not post here again on this = subject, I am not anti SSB, anti contests, anti much else, but do believe we need a responsible attitude to how we use the bands. We should not be = constantly pushing for change to suit our own interests or deliberately flouting = the law, in the long term that will only lead to loss of privilege not more = access.

 

And to answer an aggressive direct email which suggested I **** off and play somewhere else, yes I do operate digital = modes and have done for 40+ years starting with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, = CW, QRP and QRO and even microwaves.

 

Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA

 

No virus = found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6005 - Release Date: = 01/02/13

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