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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, Hope this not turning into a 20-watt ERP beacon.. ;-) Well just kidding, but see calculations below. AFAIK, we are still limited to 1 W ERP in this country since some borders are less than 800 km away from the 'primary' users. Not sure if this will change - anyone out there with more info ? From the old (preliminary?= text at at [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.93 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9bb43a66658129469273581af35b296 Subject: Re: LF: MF NOW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030309090308000708010400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f50e5c99f7bcb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030309090308000708010400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan, Hope this not turning into a 20-watt ERP beacon.. ;-) Well just kidding, but see calculations below. AFAIK, we are still limited to 1 W ERP in this country since some borders are less than 800 km away from the 'primary' users. Not sure if this will change - anyone out there with more info ? From the old (preliminary?= text at at http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BNetzA/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Regulierung/Frequenzordnung/Amateurfunk/AmtsblattverfuegungenAFu/Mitteilung3862012NutzungFreqBereich472_479kHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile > Es wird darauf hingewiesen, diese Regelung sensibel anzuwenden, Störungen zu vermeiden und die maximale Leistung nur dann auszuschöpfen, wenn es zur Aufrechterhaltung einer Funkverbindung oder für experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird. < Anyway, make the best of it, and add a few taps at the output transformer to step down the power if necessary. Remember Andy's nice EIRP calculator (xls) ? Effective antenna height = 10 meters Capacitance = 260 pF (guesstimate but realistic for a medium sized antenna) Total resistance = somewhere around 31 ohms Power input = 700 Watts -> EIRP = 27 Watts Good for DX but not for the license. 73, Wolf . Am 03.01.2013 18:28, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > Mal, > > Guess that project will help a bit, > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DSC04496.JPG > Coming soon... > > 73, Stefan > > Am 03.01.2013 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton: >> Stefan >> I am more or less sea path all the way, which no doubt helps me >> gl de mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Stefan Schäfer >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:09 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: MF NOW >> >> Interesting QSB. I'm still invisible. Nice to have a chance to >> explore that path! >> >> 73, GL, Stefan >> >> >> Am 03.01.2013 16:53, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> MF >>> Now TX qrs10 for DX qso on 476.176 Khz >>> de mal/g3kev >> --------------030309090308000708010400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Stefan,

Hope this not turning into a 20-watt ERP beacon.. ;-) Well just kidding, but see calculations below.

AFAIK, we are still limited to 1 W ERP in this country since some borders are less than 800 km away from the 'primary' users. Not sure if this will change - anyone out there with more info ? From the old (preliminary?= text at at

http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BNetzA/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Regulierung/Frequenzordnung/Amateurfunk/AmtsblattverfuegungenAFu/Mitteilung3862012NutzungFreqBereich472_479kHz.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

>
Es wird darauf hingewiesen, diese Regelung sensibel anzuwenden, Störungen zu vermeiden und die
maximale Leistung nur dann auszuschöpfen, wenn es zur Aufrechterhaltung einer Funkverbindung
oder für experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird.
<

Anyway, make the best of it, and add a few taps at the output transformer to step down the power if necessary. Remember Andy's nice EIRP calculator (xls) ?

Effective antenna height = 10 meters
Capacitance = 260 pF (guesstimate but realistic for a medium sized antenna)
Total resistance = somewhere around 31 ohms
Power input = 700 Watts

-> EIRP = 27 Watts


Good for DX but not for the license.

73,  Wolf .


Am 03.01.2013 18:28, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:
Mal,

Guess that project will help a bit, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DSC04496.JPG
Coming soon...

73, Stefan

Am 03.01.2013 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
I am more or less sea path all the way, which no doubt helps me
gl de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF NOW

Interesting QSB. I'm still invisible. Nice to have a chance to explore that path!

73, GL, Stefan


Am 03.01.2013 16:53, schrieb mal hamilton:
MF
Now TX qrs10 for DX qso on 476.176 Khz
de mal/g3kev
 

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