Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 68AA93800008C; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RJkug-0005zX-5s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:47:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RJkuf-0005zO-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:47:53 +0100 Received: from nm3-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RJkue-0002w4-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:47:53 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.231] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 11:47:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 11:47:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 11:47:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 443522.86852.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63804 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 11:47:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QtWFBMouU6xy4fYxTYHWj+VNkKabH6/dGJvzqYMVeGjwBHwp5atb/oYuiCB4EPQEREKkVbHKNwrw0w11VxWgDwjGYxoD9NyNnPxIhR9jwyIkPZM1KNRePoiY4Jq5U8iZ1HRZkEp9Pd5kWZnnnEWVkmnko9WJwFPMgWN5zN98Bfc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1319802466; bh=UbHJ6Jc6220qo3IGkTh2IddLboyOcCDVr2jH+WT70fI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gwYiearQLnq+WttXIfp++ThB3UZBSiqzoW2c4AjdRmGHQrJtJuEUg6NuCUxkLS9xl53rSfptfAyHWDlNaNWEygeOaChvKTQOa0MVU/0ZHRapPhUs2dnJg+nWx8ZduKcgXdVGDZBE/dVLBLiymfHlv/sQFktozSqkZUkLTLVIOv4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: nMn.8UEVM1ko1wQgorqlemUSFjwf5N1zJFbuhziGvOs0rGO QLNyqt99fPFoJgWSa1bEfq1XmGJ4KDN_eh1C.wF8UD95Yr2BBszW_5CsPQwX 08mT43AqnIcEfOKHIeTLnkxO2XvGlYp6zxxEXkJ7GXizhQ9HkKUQ8DEVsRjH Uc8qY8FaKHs7lvGbbx6Cz15fKZ6kbyZBWU03G4dDQKr6o4hS..0s5Z2m5RLW Xn1Lh6E4BxxmlpJrqra_uXuT2I2e.upgTIUwp6EVbWZQKx9sD98fBv80hIf3 Vz9v2J9_wGdFL4xvklurhhIYS_20dtwnrfDDrn.A.bB2XuAogckfDrUkXxZ_ RNLreXAzE9OGzMlU5wqae_h1PWV4ZrOhm_G84V0g2u0Z21m5hmzid16oScLA mTMszmGXWNjso.R5BPVaDtYzOGz_UXrXHgJmTMTldVkfp3crNrCkIIj4Uh1H TNQQ2f9Dfz3aKCqMIhY33wZGVrsDVoWnwGdTAb6_f_iv.OyY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@81.159.43.135 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 04:47:45 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <50689777CAA74C9F86E3AAD159181FBE@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <4EA925BE.4030306@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cc94c5$6a6083c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4EA994E9.10406@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001101cc955c$6db9ba40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: vo1na 27-10.jpg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CC956F.C90617F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496986752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m238.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464eaa96b37f0e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CC956F.C90617F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal. This is ok for you high speed cw people, but for someone like myself = with a comfortable speed of 15 - 16 wpm, people do not want to work you. = I have spent hours calling CQ on the HF bands with no reply when there = are operators calling at speeds that I will never acheive. 73. Ken M0KHW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: vo1na 27-10.jpg Stefan Hi speed CW on HF is music to my ears, coming from all corners of the = world.=20 LF/MF beacons and Lazy man cw (qrs) from the USE (united states of = Europe) is not exciteable At present 15 es 10 metres open world wide and vy exciting after = several lean years de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: vo1na 27-10.jpg Mal Am 27.10.2011 18:28, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan The majority of signals on LF es MF are suitable for a QSO but the = present culture seems to favour BEACONS, QRS MODE when it is not = necessary and QSL via Internet.=20 In the beginning it was all CW QSO mode and it worked FB.=20 I do not bother any more because it is a waste of time = listening/watching useless repeative part callsigns. It has all been done before and better so what are current = operators trying to achieve.=20 What are you doing on HF that wasn't done before? My suggestion is to get back to CW QSO mode Have thought the same, some days ago. I will try to move activity to = CW a bit more, at least on the weekend... 73, Stefan , use QRS only under vy poor propagation condx if you think it = helps. Use LF es MF like all the other bands, HF es VHF where CW is the = norm, SSB as appropriate and likewise data modes. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:34 AM Subject: Re: LF: vo1na 27-10.jpg Hi Joe, LF,=20 Your signal in a QRSS-10 window. Would be suitable for a QSO :-) = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/10_402283.jpg 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.10.2011 10:35, schrieb henny van elst:=20 Gm LF, Capture vo1na, henny pa3cpm 73's Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen = worden verzonden: vo1na 27-10.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging = tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen = niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u = wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CC956F.C90617F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal.
This is ok for you high speed cw = people, but for=20 someone like myself with a comfortable speed of 15 - 16 wpm, people do = not want=20 to work you. I have spent hours calling CQ on the HF bands with no reply = when=20 there are operators calling at speeds that I will never = acheive.
 
73.
 
Ken
 
M0KHW  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 = 11:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: vo1na = 27-10.jpg

Stefan
Hi speed CW on HF is music to my ears, coming = from all=20 corners of the world.
LF/MF beacons and Lazy man cw (qrs) from the = USE (united=20 states of Europe) is not exciteable
At present 15 es 10 metres open world wide and = vy=20 exciting after several lean years
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, October 27, = 2011 5:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vo1na = 27-10.jpg

Mal

Am 27.10.2011 18:28, schrieb mal hamilton: =
Stefan
The majority of signals on LF es MF are = suitable for=20 a QSO but the present culture seems to favour BEACONS, QRS MODE = when it is=20 not necessary and QSL via Internet.
In the beginning it was all CW QSO mode = and it=20 worked FB.
I do not bother any more because it is a = waste of=20 time listening/watching useless repeative part = callsigns.
It has all been done before and better so = what are=20 current operators trying to achieve. =
What are you=20 doing on HF that wasn't done before?


My suggestion is to get back to CW QSO=20 mode
Have thought the same, some days = ago. I will=20 try to move activity to CW a bit more, at least on the=20 weekend...


73, Stefan


, use QRS only under vy poor propagation = condx if=20 you think it helps.
Use LF es MF like all the other bands, HF = es VHF=20 where CW is the norm, SSB as appropriate and likewise data=20 modes.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:34 AM Subject:=20 Re: LF: vo1na 27-10.jpg

Hi Joe, LF,

Your signal in a QRSS-10 = window.=20 Would be suitable for a QSO :-)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/10_402283.jp= g

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 27.10.2011 10:35, schrieb henny van elst: =
Gm LF,
Capture vo1na,
henny pa3cpm
73's
Het bericht = kan nu met=20 het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden = verzonden:
vo1na=20 27-10.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan = ter=20 beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van = bepaalde=20 bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de = beveiligingsinstellingen voor=20 uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden=20 = afgehandeld.
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