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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Klaus and all, I appreciate the effort to co-ordinate the activities on MF (frequency-wise), but like Alan and Markus I'm not very comfortable with the a "band plan" at this very early stage. You wrote: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.93 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -0.8 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: 630m Band Plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc149506568383da6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Klaus and all, I appreciate the effort to co-ordinate the activities on MF (frequency-wise), but like Alan and Markus I'm not very comfortable with the a "band plan" at this very early stage. You wrote: 1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3kHz). 2. Within that, a region for beacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by a region for Slow CW (472,150kHz to 472,300kHz). Heavens no. Beacons within the IF filter bandwidth of many analog receivers around 472.5 kHz, with the high possibility to overload the frontend - please don't. Even IQ2MI can be annoying sometimes when stations call around 501 kHz. Also consider that, at the moment, the "lower end" of the band is the most valuable part of it. Just consider what happens if your next door neighbour decides to run a beacon there. IMHO, beacons there are evil, and we already have more than enough of them on MF. *If* somebody really thinks he needs to put up a long-running beacon, suggest to get as close to the "upper end" as possible. Wait until other countries get on, and don't carve anything in stone unless an authority really forces us to do so. Well, this is a very personal opinion. I appreciate your coordination work, but I am not comfortable with authoritive bandplans on MF. Let's coordinate things here, and on "the other" group as necessary. We need a lot of flexibility on MF. Cheers, Wolf .