Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14485 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 13:05:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 May 2003 13:05:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27276 invoked by uid 10001); 4 May 2003 13:05:40 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 May 2003 13:05:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19CJB0-0006Ap-Iz for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 14:05:10 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19CJAv-0006Ag-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 14:05:05 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19CJAu-0000hf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 15:05:04 +0200 Received: from [80.130.79.73] (helo=FABIAN.diolog.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19CJAt-0007wE-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 15:05:04 +0200 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030504130239.021d9db0@pop.1und1.com> X-Sender: pt8152986-6@pop.1und1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:05:11 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Fabian Kurz" Cc: dj1yfk@telegraphy.de In-reply-to: <000601c3123c$8e7b7860$68c428c3@erica> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030430120518.00ade070@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001501c31001$6a079780$bee5fc3e@l8p8y6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030502115241.025564e8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Mains Cable and other transmission lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-20.2 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Over the years I had come to think of 50ohms for coax cable and RF equipment >as some sort of >Fundamental Constant and never questioned it. When I described test >equipment in 'The Antenna Experimenter's Guide' it was always 50ohms where >applicable. After reading Jim's e-mail I searched through all my radio books >(Terman, Kraus et al) for enlightenment and the reason for 50ohms as a >standard is not discussed at all. >Any references Jim? This might help: http://www.tele.ntnu.no/radio/fag/SIE2080/Why_50_ohm_coax.pdf 73, Fabian DJ1YFK PS: google -> +Why 50 ohms standard > > > > Standardisation is not an insignificant advantage however - designing > > everything to match to 50ohms means any transmitter, antenna tuner, power > > meter, tuning aid, low-pass filter, dummy load etc., etc., can be > > interconnected with predictable results, rather than having to devise > > suitable matching for each piece of equipment, or conversion factors for > > measurements. > >I take the view that you have to do some sort of impedance > > matching whether you want to or not, so designing the system to be 50 ohm > > throughout is rather like designing everything to run from 230V, 50Hz - it > > saves a lot of headaches! > >I guess what is used depends on how one's station evolved. All my >experimental work, starting from generating RF at 73kHz in 1996 (using a >signal generator and car stereo amplifier into a car headlight bulb load) >took place in the shed at the bottom of the garden where the XYL doesn't >care how messy it gets! >The next stage was a wire antenna and a loading coil, all in close proximity >to one another. >Most existing RF test was not much use. Resonance was originally done by >tuning for maximum noise in the receiver. RF power was measured using a >current meter with a dummy load. The amplifier FET current indicated load on >the amplifier. Power to the antenna was measured by RF current, which was >also a final check of antenna resonance. An interim 50ohm impedance section >seemed inappropriate. >Now if the transmitter in some distance from the loading coil then that's a >different matter. A 50 or 75ohm system then makes sense. > >So, using the analogy of designing everything to run from 230V, 50Hz - fine; >unless of course you want to operate mobile or portable - in which case >12Vdc might be more appropriate. Test equipment for outside antenna >measurements is often more convenient if battery powered. > >Regards, >Peter, G3LDO > >e-mail > >Web