Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14750 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 11:12:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 11:12:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14897 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 11:13:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 11:13:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19XfVc-0001iW-AO for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:10:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19XfVW-0001iN-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:10:38 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19XfVT-0007b6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:10:35 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19XfVS-0007LK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:10:34 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030702094351.00aa7d90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:10:30 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001001c33ff6$545b9a60$93e9fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 18:28 01/07/2003 +0100, you wrote: >In ref to Ian's comment about receiving SAQ. I would be surprised if I >could not copy this signal on 17.2 khz because of my antenna system. I >resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably used odd bits >of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if this is >incorrect. >I also have a proper LF RX Hagenuk EE 430 10 - 30000 Khz plus two >Pegelmessers W & G and Siemens dedicated for LF activities. I also have >space diversity facilites using at present 2 antennas, the 90 m loop and >the vertical array, both resonated at the frequency required. The SAQ signal is of the order of 100s 0f uV/m over much of Europe - so it is quite a strong signal, and can still be received if the antenna and RX are far from optimum. The usual limiting factor is the high noise level in this frequency range - for more distant stations, QRN can reach 100uV/m or more in CW bandwidth at this time of year. Local interference is a more severe limitation at times - for some reason, my washing machine generates the equivalent of several mV/m of noise in the mains wiring around the house, so has to be switched off during SAQ broadcasts. If you read the various reports, QRM and QRN were the factors preventing reception, not antenna/receiver performance - it would seem the vast majority of people who tried were able to receive at least parts of the broadcasts. On Sunday, I got good reception on my electro-mechanical RX, using the usual 40m inverted L wire. This has "gain" of -20dB between the antenna and the headphones, but the QRN was clearly audible in the background under the signal. I also used a 2m x 2m un-tuned loop and preamp, and a tuned ferrite rod antenna, with perfectly good results from conventional receivers. In the past, I have used various odd bits of wire, down to about 2m long - provided these are tuned somewhere near resonance, ample signal is obtained. Longer bits of wire don't even need to be resonant, allthough some sort of low-pas filtering is very desireable. Active whips should also work fine - provided you don't live in Brookmans Park! Just about anything capable of detecting a few 10's of uV at 17.2kHz, and rejecting adjacent frequencies can be used as a receiver - try listening to the excellent recording KK7KA made with a loop antenna and a sound-card. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU