Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30402 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 17:23:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 17:23:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 15707 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jun 2003 17:23:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 17:23:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Sgd9-0008Dw-AZ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:21:55 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Sgd5-0008Dn-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:21:51 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19SgT3-0002YV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:11:29 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19SgT0-0001HU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030618174327.00aa72b8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:11:22 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Ghana test - "Doppler" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 07:41 18/06/2003 -0800, you wrote: >If the attachment works its a shot of DCF39 during the heat of the day and >gives a good view of what the spread is (same looking signal at night >except stronger)- and it looks about the same in Alaska too on XraY events etc. Dear Laurence, LF Group, I think this spreading of the DCF39 signal is what has been observed before at shorter distances - although the carrier frequency is stable, the phase of the carrier returns to a different value after each FSK data burst. The "wide" line is due to the random -ish phase modulation of the carrier this produces (actually, it isn't entirely random as it appears there are a finite number of possible phase jumps - presumably due to data clock and carrier frequency being derrived from the same reference frequency?). Thus, the speckled effect in your screen shot is actually generated by the FSK modulation bursts, and occurs wherever the signal is received - a pity really, since if it were a pure CW signal, it would be easy to observe much smaller frequency shifts, while as it is, it is difficult to see any change much less than about 0.1Hz due to the spreading of the spectral line. I will be running the beacon signal again tonight - I think 137 772.8 Hz was clear of the other sigs, so will stick to this. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU