Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12491 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 15:46:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 May 2003 15:46:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 9562 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 15:19:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 May 2003 15:19:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19BcJO-0003cd-2Y for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:18:58 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19BcJI-0003cT-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:18:52 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19BcDu-0003GR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:13:18 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19BcDs-0005r7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030502115241.025564e8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:13:15 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001701c31029$0888ea40$33ce28c3@erica> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030430120518.00ade070@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001501c31001$6a079780$bee5fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Mains Cable and other transmission lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Peter, LF Group >50ohm systems were chosen by equipment, test gear, coax cable and antenna >manufacturers in the interests of standardisation - there is nothing 'magic' >about 50ohms systems. >There is no point in having an interim 50ohms section between a transmitter >(that is other than 50ohms) and the antenna matching/loading system unless >you wish to use it with a piece of existing or proposed 50ohm test >equipment. The choice is not entirely arbitrary - as I recall, 50ohm coax gives the best power handling capability for a given size of cable, while 75ohm gives the lowest loss. This is probably academic in amateur practice because the cost is usually a more significant consideration than the size! It is true that there is no particular need to design an LF system to use 50ohm impedances throughout. Provided the transmitter is provided with the load impedance for which it is designed, and you have some way of verifying that the load actually is properly matched to the TX, there is no problem. Standardisation is not an insignificant advantage however - designing everything to match to 50ohms means any transmitter, antenna tuner, power meter, tuning aid, low-pass filter, dummy load etc., etc., can be interconnected with predictable results, rather than having to devise suitable matching for each piece of equipment, or conversion factors for measurements. I take the view that you have to do some sort of impedance matching whether you want to or not, so designing the system to be 50 ohm throughout is rather like designing everything to run from 230V, 50Hz - it saves a lot of headaches! 50ohms is also a very practical value - manageable voltage and current, reasonable number of turns on a transformer, sensible values of L and C and so on. For example, 1200W from a Decca PA is 245V, 4.9A into 50ohms, which is quite manageable with ordinary coax (or mains...) cable and fittings, and other components. At 4 ohms, the current would be 17A, while at 600 ohms the voltage would be 850V, either of which would be more awkward. If the connection between TX and antenna is very short, the characteristic impedance of the transmission line connecting them is of little consequence. But the transmission line does not need to be wavelengths long before it starts to make a difference - 100m of RG58 has only about 0.5dB loss at 136kHz when in a matched system. while it should, for example, be possible to produce a 4ohms impedance at the TX end of the cable with a suitable matching network at the antenna end, the losses would be much higher - more like 10dB, mostly because of I^2R loss. But the losses would be only be slightly increased if the load at the TX had to be 75 ohms. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU