Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30606 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2003 15:22:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 15:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 13896 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Apr 2003 15:22:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Apr 2003 15:22:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 196BCj-00046p-9S for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:21:37 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 196BCW-00046g-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:21:24 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 196BCC-0005mS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:21:04 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 196BC4-0007aH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:20:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030417135556.00b007a8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:20:54 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001201c304ce$a6b723a0$54cdfc3e@ian> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030416120614.024e6ea0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: The Mystery - continued. Part the second. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Ian, LF Group You wrote: >The antenna current is now 2A plus or minus the accuracy of the system... I'm not sure which band this applies to, but in an earlier mail you said the TX puts out 205W at 73k and 100W at 136k. For Iant = 2A, this works out to a total loss resistance, including that of the loading coil, of 51 ohm at 73k, and 25 ohm at 136k, which in either case is very respectable - so you are probably getting near optimal efficiency for a fairly small antenna already, and I would be surprised if a major improvement were possible on what you already have. Withe the substantial ground system you describe, experience shows that even quite large additions or subtractions from the grounding won't make a major difference to antenna efficiency. I'm not sure why it should make a huge difference if the antenna end is earthed directly, or via a torturous route back along the coax, but it seems to me the main effect would be to add inductance in series with the earth connection, which, depending on how the ground connections are made in the antenna circuit as a whole, might affect the impedance transformation produced by the tapped loading coil - since you are matching to a very low impedance, it would only take a few uH of distributed inductance added into the circuit to significantly modify the matching network behaviour. If this is true, it should be possible to achieve the same antenna current with or without the direct ground connection by changing the tapping point on the loading coil to suit each connection. Another related possibility is that, with the ground connected at the loading coil end, part of the amplifier output current returning to the amplifier earth terminal will flow through the ground, rather than via the coax braid. It may be that this path is subject to greater resistive losses than if the current flows exclusively in the coax braid. In either case, transforming the PA output impedance to 50ohm as others have suggested would reduce the problem. Or you could leave it as it is with the ground wire disconnected... As regards the fuses blowing when a matching transformer is used, does your PA have a DC blocking capacitor at the output? Normally, a loudspeaker connects directly to the output so that no bulky audio coupling capacitor is required. However, with no input signal, the PA is bound to have a DC offset at the output of up to a few 10s of mV. When the load is a speaker on the end of long leads, this is not much of an issue, but if an RF transformer with a few turns of heavy wire as the primary is connected directly across the output of the amplifier, several amps of DC will flow, which may be what is causing the problem. The DC offset at the output may also be increased if the amplifier is driven into non-linearity, which probably will be the case when trying to get a reasonable RF output. A DC blocking capacitor of several uF worth of polyester capacitors in series with the output will prevent this being a problem. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU