Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23893 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 12633 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 13:53:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 18xSJx-0001OX-FG for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:49:01 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 18xSJo-0001OO-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:48:52 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18xSGt-0004xN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:45:51 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18xSGr-00019M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:45:50 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030324122153.00abb360@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:42:21 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000601c2f033$e413b3d0$d6e136d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030320183946.0260e158@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Selection of spot frequencies for DX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.51 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.51 (1.174.2.5-2003-03-20-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, At 17:09 22/03/2003 +1200, Bob wrote: >So my suggestion for selecting frequencies for long haul DX between amateur >stations is to avoid multiples of 50 or 60 Hz (50 Hz mains being used in >some regions, 60 Hz in others). 137.7100 kHz is an example of being clear >of 50 Hz harmonics, whereas 137.7000 kHz is dicing with the 2754th harmonic >of 50 Hz, plus or minus some tolerance for the national grid. Not sure about ZL, but here in the UK the 50Hz nominal mains frequency drifts around quite a bit - perhaps a few tenths of 1%. Seen on a fairly coarse resolution spectrogram, the harmonics give a series of wavy lines spaced by 50 or 100Hz, which drift enough to give overlapping coverage during a period of a few minutes. But with very narrow resolution spectrograms, this just adds to the "wide band" noise level, rather than producing well-defined spectral lines, because the frequency does not remain within one FFT box for long enough to produce a line. Most of the stable spectral lines on LF at my QTH seem to be Loran, but a significant number are not. I also see a very faint line at 137.700kHz sometimes - wherever it comes from, it must be crystal controlled to have sufficient stability. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU