Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29519 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 18:29:16 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 18:29:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 1253 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 18:29:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 18:29:16 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18GkO9-0000FW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:24:49 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18GkO9-0000FN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:24:49 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18GkNb-0007jS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:24:15 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18GkNQ-0002xQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:24:04 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126174220.00b19580@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:22:35 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021125171906.00b9d028@pb623250.kuleuven.be> References: <001d01c29475$f77f6140$0500a8c0@charter.net> <3DE1338E.2F1E9274@att.net> <000801c29474$a4e23300$1ee086d4@erica> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: loop antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Rik, LF Group, I reckon your loop will have inductance of the order of 100uH, so with the kind of currents you are hoping to achieve, the voltage on the loop will reach at least a few kV. With this voltage, I believe you will need insulators between the wire and the tree branches to prevent them getting burnt away where they contact each other. Also, if you use a transformer to "float" the loop, this could have similar voltages between the windings. It is not easy to make a transformer with a large impedance ratio and at the same time low loss and low leakage inductance. I would suggest something like the output transformers used in HF solid state PAs, with a single turn low Z winding of tubing or strip passed through a number of stacked ferrite cores to get sufficient winding inductance. As an alternative to vacuum capacitors for tuning, you could use a variometer of a few uH in series with the loop - it would only need a few metres of wire, and if you used the same litz wire as for the antenna, it would make negligible difference to the loss. BTW - if you get the loss down to 0.2ohm, the Q will be over 400 - so you will certainly need accurate tuning! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU