Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8250 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:28:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:28:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25712 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:28:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:28:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rdvp-0003Io-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:27:49 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rdvp-0003Ie-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:27:49 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8ICRIHB027916 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:27:18 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020918141307.02fe93a0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:32:11 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Capacity hat puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Mike, During lunchbreak I simulated your antenna (using MMAMA), making some variations on the topload (always with 3 parallel wires). I guessed your elevated inductance as 1mH. Regardless of the topload configuration the radiation resistance is 0.047 Ohm. The reactive part was : for 3 wires joined at the near end (at the elevated coil) = -j3945 Ohm (297pF) for 3 wires joined at the far end = -j3924 Ohm (298pF) for 3 wires joined at both ends = -j3900 Ohm (300pF) for 3 wires joined in a zig-zag configuration = -j3921 Ohm (298.5pF) According to MMAMA the way you join the wires shouldn't make much change (less than 1%), but I do not know how well MMAMA behaves for very short antennas (the figures I get for simple configurations such as a straight vertical or inverted-L seem to be OK). The most efficient way to increase antenna capacity at a limited space seems to be spiral toploading as described by Alan at : http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/spiraltop.htm MMAMA gives a for a 14m high antenna with a 10 by 10m spiral topload (5 turns) and a 1mH elevated coil: radiation resistance = 0.052 Ohm reactance = -j2871 Ohm (408pF) 73, Rik ON7YD At 10:19 18/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >My antenna failed recently because one of the leads to the elevated loading >coil had broken. To fix it I had to lower one of my 14m masts - a task >requiring several people so I don't do it very often. > >Whilst the mast was down I modified the capacity hat. There are three 17m >long parallel wires, about 0.5 metres apart (total span 1m). The wires are >joined at both ends. (See http://www.lf.thersgb.net/antenna.htm for a >picture). > >I changed this so that the wires were only joined at the far end. Now the >vertical wire and the elevated coil are connected to the centre wire only. >The RF travels along this centre wire to the end, then back using the outer >two wires in parallel.. > >I expected this to increase the inductance of the antenna and so lower its >resonant frequency. The actual effect was the opposite - the frequency >increased and I had to add inductance at the base of the vertical. > >Any thoughts? > >The next time I lower the mast, I will restore the connections. > >Mike, G3XDV >http://www.lf.thersgb.net >====================