Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14452 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:40:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9719 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:39:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:39:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17U8mZ-0007sF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:33:07 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17U8mY-0007sA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:33:06 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17U8mX-0003bp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:33:05 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17U8mW-0005Kq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:33:04 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715170020.02e95028@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:31:28 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Ground loss/gain (was: polarization of small loops) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712173901.00bc7df8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, The maths required to calculate the gain and Rrad of a loop over a ground plane looks much too difficult... so I cheated and used EZNEC instead to simulate a 10m square loop 1m above a ground plane - the gain is close to 4.77dBi ( ie. 3), instead of 1.77dBi for a loop in free space, so 3dB gain due to the ground plane, as one would intuitively expect. I also tried simulating it with "real" grounds, to find out what the effect would be on the radiation resistance. Unfortunately, it does not like doing this, giving an error message saying that the resistance is negative and the loop is too small. I increased the frequency to 1MHz, where the simulation ran OK. Comparing Rrad with perfect ground and free space gave a ratio of about 2:1 as expected. With "high accuracy" ground, either very low or very high ground conductivity gave lower loss resistance than intermediate values, which also seems reasonable - the loss reached a maximum somewhere around 100mS, so this suggests that, with actual grounds having lower conductivity than this, loops will work best with the lowest possible ground conductivity. However, one has to take all this with a pinch of salt because of the simulation errors produced if the frequency is reduced. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU