Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28458 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 16:31:09 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 16:31:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 16:20:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sSRu-0004CQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:52:02 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sSRt-0004CL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:52:01 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16sQuz-0002Ts-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:13:57 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16sQuy-0000l9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:13:57 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402162043.00a96d80@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:08:54 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: loop inductance In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20020402140550.30cf29da@pb623250.kuleuven.be> References: <19519.020329@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF group, In Rik's formulae, if you make W in m equal d in mm, the formulae reduce to L=1.1W, give or take a few percent,depending on shape - close to RA9MB's formula L=W for a single turn. I have not tried a big TX loop, but the 2m side square loops made of 15mm diameter tube I have been using lately have L=7.9uH, very close to Rik's square loop formula and Yuri's simple formula; a 1m square loop of the same tube had L about 4uH. Making the wire thinner increases L, but is not very critical because of the Log component. A 1m square loop of about 1mm wire had L of about 6.4uH, which agrees with Rik's formula which predicts 6.1uH. Alex's formula L=WN^2 makes the inductance proportional to N^2 for a multi-turn loop; in practice the inductance will always be somewhat less because there is not unity coupling factor between the turns. A 10 turn, 1m^2 loop made using 1mm PVC insulated wire in a bundle had an L of about 340uH rather than 400uH The error will depend on the spacing of the turns and how they are bundled together and so on. All the same, it seems like a good way of making a rough estimate - in practice, there will be many factors that have a slight effect on the actual value of L, so a rough estimate is probably all that is required. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU